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rrneck

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27. Um, yes.

Sat Sep 28, 2013, 12:36 PM

Sep 2013

Everything you touch depends on oil. Everything. You can discard religion entirely - wipe it from the collective consciousness of the entire human race - and you will still have to eat every day and sleep warm and dry. That's a fact.

Another fact is that the United States is an empire that uses about twenty five percent of the world energy resources for about five percent of its population (last I checked). Empires have behaved the same way for seven thousand years, and we're no different.

Blaming religion is just playing the other guys game. By other guy I don't mean the practitioners of another religion, but the 1% that profits most from the use of oil. They're always up for a rich man's war and a poor man's fight, just like the Mullahs, Princes, Shahs and assorted leaders that have the temerity to be in control of "our" oil.

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The steaming pile of shit that is now Iraq! [View all] trumad Sep 2013 OP

Yet, I am sure the Bush*, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Pearle, Wolfowitz, Bill Kristols of the world hlthe2b Sep 2013 #1

And they say they'd do it all over again. trumad Sep 2013 #2

All we did was precipitate and postpone the inevitable civil war SoCalDem Sep 2013 #3

and lost 4000 Americans trumad Sep 2013 #4

Your counter-factual serves no other purpose than to give the USA absolution. delrem Sep 2013 #10

Someone else in the Ba'ath Party would have taken over. It was the Saudis and Israel who wanted leveymg Sep 2013 #16

Iran was the biggest "winner" SoCalDem Sep 2013 #20

We almost did the same thing to Iran to prevent just that from happening. leveymg Sep 2013 #29

That Iran would be the inevitable WINNER of a destabilized IRAQ bvar22 Sep 2013 #31

bingo nt arely staircase Sep 2013 #42

It's our oil. Octafish Sep 2013 #5

The true cost of the Iraq war is incalulable Martin Eden Sep 2013 #9

Thanks Octafish, for two things. First of all... truth2power Sep 2013 #11

Thanks for the heads-up. delrem Sep 2013 #39

My pleasure. I knew someone woudl get it. n/t truth2power Sep 2013 #46

Cool article! It is about their oil... Time to re-nationalize it and boot out the oil companies. grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #24

I didn't realize that about the cost of the war. Overseas Sep 2013 #41

I am tired of Big Oil and Wall Street running Washington. Octafish Sep 2013 #44

So am I. So many of my tax dollars have gone to protect them. Overseas Sep 2013 #45

Vietnam, Chili, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya .... Junkdrawer Sep 2013 #6

freedom! phantom power Sep 2013 #7

Grief-Anger-Revenge-Killing-Grief-Anger-Revenge-Killing Martin Eden Sep 2013 #8

Sunni and Shiite conflicts Politicub Sep 2013 #12

I lump ALL religious extremists into this same barrel of monkeys... Moostache Sep 2013 #19

And it's only getting worse Politicub Sep 2013 #36

Thanx bush/Cheney/Rummy/Condi/Wolfowitz/PNAC ...... Botany Sep 2013 #13

And don't forget that dubya's adventures went on our national Credit Card (remember Supplementals?) unhappycamper Sep 2013 #14

The root cause of the problem is probably in your pocket right now. rrneck Sep 2013 #15

NO. Moostache Sep 2013 #21

Um, yes. rrneck Sep 2013 #27

Saddam Hussein was a strong man who could be relied upon Skidmore Sep 2013 #17

they have trumad Sep 2013 #18

So we did, as we helped to Skidmore Sep 2013 #23

The fruit borne here is EXACTLY what was expected from planting the seed. TheKentuckian Sep 2013 #22

American Embassy ONLY cost us $900 MILLION benld74 Sep 2013 #25

Meanwhile, the real CRAZY Sunnis are coming in from Saudi Arabia. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #26

I thought the Saudi's were Wasabi's (sp?)? madinmaryland Sep 2013 #32

"Wahhabi" is actually considered a slur. It is an ultra-conservative Sunni branch.... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #33

That's Prince Turki, the ex-head of Saudi intelligence,on the right of Hillary. Great photo. leveymg Sep 2013 #34

The Saudis kill a single nut amongst many from time to time for the press and we thank them. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #38

I believe that dynamic may be in the early process of changing. Uncle Joe Sep 2013 #35

The media refuses to connect the dots.... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #37

Wasabi's. ROFL NickB79 Sep 2013 #47

We'll probably have to find a US friendly, secular strongman who can restore order. pa28 Sep 2013 #28

....halliburton and the private war industry made gazillions on it.... spanone Sep 2013 #30

and some wonder why they hate us. . . B Calm Sep 2013 #40

biggest strategic fuck up in American history arely staircase Sep 2013 #43