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In reply to the discussion: Terrifying Precedent: Woman to Be Tried for Murder for Giving Birth to Stillborn When She Was 16 [View all]freshwest
(53,661 posts)85. Why a Wisconsin woman was jailed:
Last edited Thu Mar 20, 2014, 02:19 AM - Edit history (1)
She was 14 weeks pregnant and thought she had done the right thing when, at a prenatal checkup, she described a pill addiction the previous year and said she had ended it on her own - something later verified by a urine test. But now an apparently skeptical doctor and a social worker accused her of endangering her unborn child because she had refused to accept their order to start on an anti-addiction drug.Ms. Beltran, 28, was taken in shackles before a family court commissioner who, she says, brushed aside her pleas for a lawyer. To her astonishment, the court had already appointed a legal guardian for the fetus.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101677037
A few links to things are being done to women right now in this country. In every case, the words of the women mean nothing when Teabigots are allowed by their voting block or non-voter to rule over us:
Iowa Woman Jailed for Thinking about an Abortion
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x640964
Pregnant Woman Attempts Suicide; Survives; Now In Jail Facing Feticide And Murder Charges
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x888606
At What Point in Pregnancy Does a Woman's Personhood End?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022608078
This one matches Ralph Reed's position as posted this week:
Judge won't let woman divorce while she's pregnant (WA State)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1112992
Here's one that has been discussed openly by Teabigots. This is not a new view, period.
Quindlen: How Much Jail Time for Women Who Have Abortions?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=217x5771
Pregnant? That Might Get You Arrested
http://www.democraticunderground.com/125514262
Tea Party: Impregnated Rape Victims Who Abort Should Be Jailed As Long As Their Rapist (VIDEO)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023285834
This is exactly what the Teabigots want to do here in the USA:
This is what it looks like when a country makes abortion illegal--El Salvador
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021200076
The GOP in MI just nominated a candidate who says gays and abortion are responsible for tornadoes, etc. The Teabigots are going to make being born female a curse and constantly suspected of being a criminal.
This isn't just any 'government overreach.' It is government under GOP and Teabigot rule. Obama and Democrats are clearly against the kind of laws and the execution of laws in the way the GOP and their Teabigots are using them to dehumanize women.
Some may think those stories can be interpreted as proper government administration or make excuses for them. This was not the case until the personhood movement made it an issue, state by state. Or nationally, as the Teabigot Rand Paul has tried to hold up nearly every budget under Obama by insisting that such laws be nationalized, and a national RTW law to end unions and his other schemes.
I hope that those who care about women will vote them out of office, but it appears the Koch propaganda will have them staying home and the Teabigots will continue to drag this country into fascism on the way to the stone age. What I find particularly galling is the silence or 'why don't you just shut up and let the boys talk' attitude about this everywhere.
Not saying you. That's a generic statement.
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Terrifying Precedent: Woman to Be Tried for Murder for Giving Birth to Stillborn When She Was 16 [View all]
kpete
Mar 2014
OP
Think what a Teabigot administration would do with health records. They'd go back and find every
freshwest
Mar 2014
#41
I totally agree. And don't look now, but now you can add any woman who delivered a stillborn baby.
Squinch
Mar 2014
#43
Oh, you have to read her other books. Cat's Eye is good. Also Alias Grace, Bluebeard's Ghost.
Squinch
Mar 2014
#110
They fully intend to destroy the Constiution. Ryan has promised that with a majority of RED states,
freshwest
Mar 2014
#150
And not only that, the christening is 30 days after the birth, assuming it survives that long.
RC
Mar 2014
#13
i never heard that where and in which bible - not trying to start a fight just want to read that
leftyohiolib
Mar 2014
#24
The bible also says that the punishment for murder is death and the punishment for inducing
LeftyMom
Mar 2014
#56
The writing was on the wall when they started jailing women for falling down stairs while pregnant.
redqueen
Mar 2014
#4
African Americans and other minorities are usually where overreachers dip a toe in the water.
JoeyT
Mar 2014
#20
Yes. Deny them healthcare and then arrest them for not caring for the fetus. nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Mar 2014
#113
Coroners are elected officials in Mississippi who do not require a medical degree.
PeaceNikki
Mar 2014
#11
MISSISSIPPI .. hate to say it but when I hear anything that comes out of that State >
YOHABLO
Mar 2014
#48
And can this "byproduct" be replicated by otherwise legal or prescribed substances -
haele
Mar 2014
#118
This is government overreach, even with prenatal care problems still occurs. I would wonder in this
Thinkingabout
Mar 2014
#27
My son is alive only because they caught this while he was being born.
Benton D Struckcheon
Mar 2014
#33
No question the solution to the problems you described is education and access
Maedhros
Mar 2014
#71
Never. ... Education about pre-natal care is a much better tactic than prosecution.
Arugula Latte
Mar 2014
#120
cause of death was also the most obvious: the umbilical cord wrapped around her neck.
pragmatic_dem
Mar 2014
#44
wtf??!! She may not even have known she was pregnant! Irregular periods are a common teen
riderinthestorm
Mar 2014
#45
Women often have no idea that they are pregnant until weeks or even a couple of months
tblue37
Mar 2014
#63
So we can add teenagers, drug abuse and addiction to the list of things you don't understand.
LeftyMom
Mar 2014
#76
So many nights staying up past dawn, half-hoping there's none left and half-hoping there is...
nomorenomore08
Mar 2014
#156
I agree no one should go to jail for using drugs. But cocaine is certainly addictive even if
nomorenomore08
Mar 2014
#155
What a stupid response to a post. You grammar police must be insecure as hell. n-t
Logical
Mar 2014
#145
There were no drugs in her system, and "cocaine byproducts" in the fetus could mean
tblue37
Mar 2014
#78
But sincea woman might have no idea that she is pregnant, how on earth could she
tblue37
Mar 2014
#81
I think for a lot of them that's already the case. Hence why they're usually such balls of sunshine.
nomorenomore08
Mar 2014
#157
With all due respect to Mississippians, but Mississippi is one truly f'd up place!!! nt
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#46
I like that. And let's not forget yes, Tennessee, Alabama, Georgia, etc.
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#89
All pro-lifers are misogynists. Pro-lifers think women should not have the right to bodily integrity
redqueen
Mar 2014
#122
LOL. that's because anti-choicers are misogynists. its not a misconception. nt
La Lioness Priyanka
Mar 2014
#139
taking a healthcare choice away from women is a misogynistic stance REGARDLESS
La Lioness Priyanka
Mar 2014
#166
"Pro-lifer"? Fine. I just hope no women bleed to death in an alleyway thanks to your "advocacy." nt
nomorenomore08
Mar 2014
#158
Because that's the sort of thing that happens when abortion is outlawed. Just saying.
nomorenomore08
Mar 2014
#163
Because when abortion is illegal, women who desperately don't want to be pregnant will still
nomorenomore08
Mar 2014
#175
Didn't believe that this crap goes on....buy yep it's true - are we on the same planet?????
burfman
Mar 2014
#129