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In reply to the discussion: Thank Representative Grand Theft Auto for the TPP Security--And Reid and Pelosi. [View all]msanthrope
(37,549 posts)68. take it up with the founding fathers then.
the authority to negotiate with foreign powers resides with the executive not with the legislative branch.
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Thank Representative Grand Theft Auto for the TPP Security--And Reid and Pelosi. [View all]
msanthrope
Apr 2015
OP
Well, I was puzzled by it. But then I realized that Obama doesn't get pissed off, lightly. So I
msanthrope
Apr 2015
#2
It puts the Bernie Sanders' letter into its proper hypocritical, historical context, doesn't it?
msanthrope
Apr 2015
#4
Why do you think Issa hit so hard on Benghazi? I suspect Issa knew he could be in trouble, and
msanthrope
Apr 2015
#11
This entire OP is about revealing facts in a way that implies linkage of things
MannyGoldstein
Apr 2015
#140
The OP smears 4 democrats. Pay no attention to woman behind the curtain.
Luminous Animal
Apr 2015
#152
Link please that this insane policy did not exist before the OP's fantasy.
Luminous Animal
Apr 2015
#160
What changes? Members of both the Senate and the House, in 2012 made claims that they
Luminous Animal
Apr 2015
#192
The USTR cracked down? Please link to ANY evidence that access was looser before 2012.
Luminous Animal
Apr 2015
#205
Can you provide a link that Congress had access? In fact, the letters from the House and the Senate
Luminous Animal
Apr 2015
#207
Thank you for doing the Digging, msanthrope! There's so much hysteria around here about "Secrecy!"
Cha
Apr 2015
#86
Issa was never on the Congressional Oversight Group on Trade. Thus he had no access to leak
Luminous Animal
Apr 2015
#99
So, you are claiming this Committee does not exist, and did not investigate TPP, Benghazi, and isn't
msanthrope
Apr 2015
#183
House COG does not exist. The acronym for the committee that Issa sat on is COGR.
Luminous Animal
Apr 2015
#201
Well, Congresspeople having to babysit their staffers is Issa's fault. Note that neither Warren or
msanthrope
Apr 2015
#6
The TPP should be classified until it's final. We have 11 other nations involved, and they rely on
msanthrope
Apr 2015
#23
Actually, what is happening is that somehow all of this will be blamed on Warren and Sanders, so
djean111
Apr 2015
#10
EFF, Public Citizen, Doctors Without Borders, etc., all wrote about the leak a full year
Luminous Animal
Apr 2015
#75
Check out downthread--we are now supposed to pretend Issa never headed House COG, never investigated
msanthrope
Apr 2015
#180
Warren and Sanders share the blame with every other Congressperson who didn't call out Issa. Plenty
msanthrope
Apr 2015
#14
Any trade deal that involves 12 nations is going to have massive security, and will be secret
msanthrope
Apr 2015
#20
As they should retaliate. Too bad no Congressperson took Issa to task for being the bad apple. nt
msanthrope
Apr 2015
#30
This is why I miss Prosense. She would have found it, months ago...as soon as the babysitting
msanthrope
Apr 2015
#39
Heck, republicans accused FDR of 'secret tariff agreements' and they were just bilateral deals. n/t
pampango
Apr 2015
#32
Right--I thought FDR Democrats liked reciprocal trade agreements? FDR sure did. nt
msanthrope
Apr 2015
#36
It would seem that some "FDR Democrats" part company with their mentor on trade issues.
pampango
Apr 2015
#43
I understand the reasoning behind the secrecy. I just don't LIKE it in this case.
Buns_of_Fire
Apr 2015
#37
I like the idea of the 500 entities--it included labor and environmental in the top tier....
msanthrope
Apr 2015
#40
But if there wasn't a problem before, then Issa's staffer taking a copy for his
Buns_of_Fire
Apr 2015
#48
I've seen that interview. I am disappointed Warren did not discuss the prior
msanthrope
Apr 2015
#51
Even if it happened, it require that such leaking can't be a heroic act against opacity.
HereSince1628
Apr 2015
#59
I am not sure some understands the process of negotiations and I therefore
Thinkingabout
Apr 2015
#60
Let me see if I have you correctly....No one should file against Issa because
msanthrope
Apr 2015
#80
It's all becomes clear, it's nothing about the Democrats or the Republicans. It's all about Obama.
Autumn
Apr 2015
#63
I won't hold my breath for the Third-Way Manny thread complaining about Issa...
SidDithers
Apr 2015
#66
Actually, he published a draft that had already been leaked the previous year.
Luminous Animal
Apr 2015
#69
Defending Darrell Issa's actions is, I had hoped, beneath you, LA. And techdirt isn't telling
msanthrope
Apr 2015
#73
I'm laying out the facts as I found them. Care to provide a link that an Issa staffer leaked the
Luminous Animal
Apr 2015
#76
Again...you are defending Issa, who was behind the original leak. Do you think it
msanthrope
Apr 2015
#79
I can't cite anything he wrote for the Israeli publication. I don't speak, read
Luminous Animal
Apr 2015
#93
I'm not defending Issa. I am defending Reid, Pelosi, Sanders, and Warren. Dems that you're smearing.
Luminous Animal
Apr 2015
#123
You just used an anti-Semite repudiated by the Catholic League to bolster your claims about another
msanthrope
Apr 2015
#129
I provided the info you requested, And you said, if I did, you would do in return.
Luminous Animal
Apr 2015
#158
You used an Anti-Semite, repudiated by the Catholic League....hardly a progressive
msanthrope
Apr 2015
#161
Progressive was not the standard. A citation was. I provided. I doubt you will
Luminous Animal
Apr 2015
#194
Of course "defend issa".. nothing will get in their way to bash President Obama. Nothing.
Cha
Apr 2015
#88
I thought this was about Pelosi and Reid? The OP is baselessly bashing them with flailing fabrication.
Luminous Animal
Apr 2015
#100
You are actually claiming downthread that this Commitee--House COG, does not exist---
msanthrope
Apr 2015
#116
Yep. There is no such thing as House COG. GOG, BY STATUTE, is comprised by members of the Senate
Luminous Animal
Apr 2015
#125
No. There are dozens of oversight committees. Issa was not on the COG committee.
Luminous Animal
Apr 2015
#137
He was the chairman of the House COG. I provided you video of him in the Sandra Fluke matter.
msanthrope
Apr 2015
#138
He was chairman of Government and Oversight Reform. Which has nothing to do with trade and this...
Luminous Animal
Apr 2015
#139
Lemme see if I have this....you have dropped the claim that the the House COG does not exist?
msanthrope
Apr 2015
#167
Nope. Not once dropped the claim the House COG does not exist. It doesn't exist.
Luminous Animal
Apr 2015
#170
This Comimittee does not exist---and never investigated TPP, Benghazi, and the ACA?
msanthrope
Apr 2015
#175
Your War on Acronyms ranks up there with the time you accused me of plagiarizing
msanthrope
Apr 2015
#221
At this point, we have posters claiming this committee--House COG, does not exist.....
msanthrope
Apr 2015
#117
Because it doesn't. COG, established in 2002 specified to trade. Issa's committee was established in
Luminous Animal
Apr 2015
#126
So this committee, in which Issa opened up a TPP investigation, is imaginary?
msanthrope
Apr 2015
#132
There is not one word about any TPP or investigation, What. So. Ever. Is this a joke?
Luminous Animal
Apr 2015
#146
He did not qualify to be on the committee, I am defending Democrats. You aren tearing them down,
Luminous Animal
Apr 2015
#164
Lemme see if I have this.....You now acknowledge there actually is a Committee?
msanthrope
Apr 2015
#165
Sigh, There are dozens of oversight committees. Issas committee is not GOC
Luminous Animal
Apr 2015
#171
This Committee--with a TPP investigation, a Benghazi investigation, etc....does not exist?
msanthrope
Apr 2015
#177
House COG does not exist. The acronym for the committee that Issa sat on is COGR.
Luminous Animal
Apr 2015
#195
In 2012 only the a few members of the Congressional oversight committee had access.
pa28
Apr 2015
#82
Um...No..That's not what I wrote. Issa was on COG House. And he and his staffer leaked.
msanthrope
Apr 2015
#84
Your OP says the USTRO's office tried allowing unfettered access but restricted it due to Issa.
pa28
Apr 2015
#85
It is almost certain that Issa wasn't even a member of the Congressional Oversight Group on Trade
Luminous Animal
Apr 2015
#96
Are you kidding me? Issa is COG House....which is what I wrote....and that commitee does actually
msanthrope
Apr 2015
#108
House COG does not exist. The acronym for the committee that Issa sat on is COGR.
Luminous Animal
Apr 2015
#200
There is no such thing as COG House. In 2011, Issa was chair of House Committee on Oversight
Luminous Animal
Apr 2015
#95
Holy frackin' crap---are you kidding me? First of all, COG House does exist----here it is....
msanthrope
Apr 2015
#105
COG House does not exist. COG is specific to Wyden's 2002 legislation that addresses trade.
Luminous Animal
Apr 2015
#133
Are you actually denying that this committee--that Elijah Cummings is on, does not exist?
msanthrope
Apr 2015
#135
House COG does not exist. The acronym for the committee that Issa sat on is COGR.
Luminous Animal
Apr 2015
#197
Issa wasn't even on the Congressional Oversight Group on Trade so he would have no access.
Luminous Animal
Apr 2015
#97
How is it that you are completely unfamiliar with COG House--to the point of denying its existence?
msanthrope
Apr 2015
#109
House COG does not exist. The acronym for the committee that Issa sat on is COGR.
Luminous Animal
Apr 2015
#199
She provided shite. Issa was never on the Congressional Oversight Group On Trade in 2011 or 2012.
Luminous Animal
Apr 2015
#98
After all of your posts in this thread, is it really necessary for you to accost every single person
Number23
Apr 2015
#101
No. It is not okay because Msanthrope smears Pelosi and Reid on a complete fabrication.
Luminous Animal
Apr 2015
#103
Issa had the documents because House COG had a TPP investigation going full throttle. How did you
msanthrope
Apr 2015
#114
How can I claim there is no House COG on trade because there isn't. The COG on trade is Senate AND House.
Luminous Animal
Apr 2015
#127
Are you actually saying that Elijah Cummings is on an imaginary committee that did not have a TPP
msanthrope
Apr 2015
#134
House COG does not exist. The acronym for the committee that Issa sat on is COGR.
Luminous Animal
Apr 2015
#196
Actually....I'm amazingly surprised that neither you nor Luminous Animal seem to remember that
msanthrope
Apr 2015
#111
No, it says more about the absolutely PANICKED responses you and your pal are making
Number23
Apr 2015
#118
The panic was in the number of posts from your pal and your needless reponse to me
Number23
Apr 2015
#210
There's no rage, dear. You've gotten that as accurate as your summation of msanthrope's timeline
Number23
Apr 2015
#214
Note--Luminous Animal is actually claiming that the commitee that Issa chaired does not exist......
msanthrope
Apr 2015
#115
We both know I'd take your word over the likes of the others running up and down this thread
Number23
Apr 2015
#119
I know it, and I appreciate it. But I'm honestly stunned....to defend Issa, there is now the claim
msanthrope
Apr 2015
#120
Well, I mean if it's okay with the squatters in this thread, I'd like to reiterate my earlier post
Number23
Apr 2015
#121
I thank you.....and I'm off to walk my lovie mess of a dog and laugh my ass off......nt
msanthrope
Apr 2015
#122
House COG does not exist. The acronym for the committee that Issa sat on is COGR.
Luminous Animal
Apr 2015
#198
Issa's committee is not called COG. COG was established in 2002. Issa's in 1816.
Luminous Animal
Apr 2015
#128
Are you actually denying that House COG does not exist? Is Elijah Cummings lying?
msanthrope
Apr 2015
#136
He was on COG House which has nothing to do with contraception, but how did you forget Sandra Fluke?
msanthrope
Apr 2015
#110
Hey, this wouldn't be the first time that people opposed to President Obama have broken the law...
YoungDemCA
Apr 2015
#107
To clarify the issue of whether Issa was responsible for initially leaking the document: No, but....
YoungDemCA
Apr 2015
#112
actually--Issa was responsible for the initial leak. House COG had those documents because of their
msanthrope
Apr 2015
#113
Already did, upthread, with video of Issa being asked why House COG would not host Sandra Fluke. nt
msanthrope
Apr 2015
#130
Nope. No such thing has house COG. You are confusing a House domestic oversight
Luminous Animal
Apr 2015
#155
You, something or other, are pretending that the House COG exists. It does not. Link please.
Luminous Animal
Apr 2015
#166
This quibble has no bearing on the OP which makes no mention of said committee.
ucrdem
Apr 2015
#172
There was a time when Luminous Animal accused me of plagarizing my own thread, and threatened to
msanthrope
Apr 2015
#179
Rex--respectfully, that won't clear it up. Once you start claiming that certain
msanthrope
Apr 2015
#176
"you aren't going to admit your mistake" Nope, if anything hunker down deeper and keep accosting
Number23
Apr 2015
#209
at this point I'm asking la to admit she was wrong about the Holocaust denier
msanthrope
Apr 2015
#220
Rough draft of TPP will be able for review by the public and congresscritters will be able
Iliyah
Apr 2015
#186
I guess I'm lucky LA didn't accuse me of being homophobic with my acronym usage this time.
msanthrope
Apr 2015
#224
I remember that and telling her I use GG just like I use HRC and so what does that mean?
Rex
Apr 2015
#229
No....I called GG a 'ratfucker' and the alerter claimed I was being homophobic. I got a hide.
msanthrope
Apr 2015
#230
so far in this thread you've denied a committee existed and you've used an anti Semite
msanthrope
Apr 2015
#216