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65. Not sure where you stand...
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 11:40 PM
Jul 2015

and not sure what you're getting at. There is no "left" to speak of in the United States. There are no "leftist parties" here that amount to squat. It's gone... marginalized, neutered, and destroyed. The unions have been sold out for crumbs and were destroyed. The dagger through the heart and the beginning of the end Taft-Hartley. The union leadership are tools of Capital. The CPUSA endorsed Barack Obama. The Democratic Party is not leftist and never has been if that's what you're getting at. It is what it is until it isn't. Do you understand what that means ?

What is to be done you ask ? Fight back as always. The fight back is just beginning again. Agitate, Organize, Resist. It won't happen overnight. "Burn it down now" is the cry of the Anarchists. I like the Anarchists but that's not gonna cut it as they will get their heads smashed in short order while accomplishing nothing as they always do. Occupy Wall Street ? Noble effort but of little use. Crushed in short order because of complete lack of concrete demands and lack of clarity in what they were actually fighting for. "Reforms now!!!"... "We think we don't like Capitalism but we might be able to reform it with no class struggle, no class analysis,and no fucking idea what we're doing !!!" Good luck with that. We may as well stick with the Democratic Party and hope for a savior if that's the plan.

The problem goes much deeper than a mere slogans of "we are the 99%", "eat the rich", holding a sign that says "I'm generally displeased with the current state of affairs", and "I want fairness now." Lets do something now is not a plan unless you know what your doing and what you're fighting for. Do we? To what actual result - throughout the history of capitalist relations (political, social, and economic) - have the "leftist reformers and regulators" of the capitalist power structure benefited the working class and the people AS A WHOLE ?

Leftist politics is not about lip-service and feel good platitudes that have no basis in objective reality when Capital dominates and controls all economic, political, and social relations. Maybe Sanders can change the narrative...I'm down with that...some of the things he proposes might have some organizational and class consciousness raising value from my view as a foundation... other leftists that I deeply respect disagree strongly and think Sanders is another in a long line of useful tools. Either way... Sanders is swimming against the tides of Capital and objective material reality if he thinks his or our demands will be met while the power structure remains beholden to a capitalist ruling class that OWNS all the power.

The responsibility of actual leftists is to point out the failure of Capitalism for the WHOLE of the working class and the people, to point out the oppressive relationship between Capital and Labor under the capitalist modes of production, to point out class struggle and bring class analysis to the table, to point out the property question and theft of the commons (who owns and controls what and why), and to deal in objective material reality and the facts on the ground for the WHOLE of the working class. Subjective and individual interpretations of social conditions and individual prescriptions of change are not leftist politics.

There are no feel-good half-measures that will accomplish anything of worth in the current system in the long run. Capitalism is wage-slavery and barely getting by living for millions. Work for the owners for peanuts or starve are the options for many. The Abolitionists didn't fight for better conditions for slaves. They fought to get rid of slavery period.

Capitalism can not "be made fair." That is not how it functions and that is objective material reality. "The Middle Class" is the bait and crumbs the capitalist ruling class throws us to keep us neutered and under the illusion that any gains and concessions won are our final destiny. The "Middle Class" is an illusion that CAN NEVER be a permanent state of prosperity that the working class - AS A WHOLE - can depend on. "Middle Class prosperity" was an aberration under the capitalist modes of production and a decomposing social structure that might never be attained again.

The foundational structures of capitalism are built on inequality, exploitation, and the institutionalized theft of labor. That is the reality we face. Workers of the world unite is not just a slogan. That is all there is. Without our labor nothing is possible. Nothing gets built. Nothing gets done. If the workers - in mass - cross their arms... the ruling classes are out of luck. Everything comes to a halt. Do you understand that ?

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Syriza in shock over creditors' demands [View all] muriel_volestrangler Jul 2015 OP
It could and if Merkel doesn't like Syriza Warpy Jul 2015 #1
You would think someone has a secret emergency plan developed in the last 6 months. n/t PoliticAverse Jul 2015 #2
"Too big to fail " can apply to a country, too DFW Jul 2015 #6
Paul Krugman says there isn't starroute Jul 2015 #15
"it’s a grotesque betrayal of everything the European project was supposed to stand for" PoliticAverse Jul 2015 #16
Yes, it's worse starroute Jul 2015 #20
They got swindled Nevernose Jul 2015 #37
You can't lay all of Greece's financial problems at the feet of a few oligarchs or bankers mythology Jul 2015 #44
Can I hear an 'amen'? Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #55
You can't call it a "swindle" when they were paying Goldman Sachs to lie for them Recursion Jul 2015 #51
There's no chance of the communists winning muriel_volestrangler Jul 2015 #3
"Winning" would mean a chunk of a coalition government Warpy Jul 2015 #7
They wouldn't be a junior member of a coalition muriel_volestrangler Jul 2015 #8
If a "New Drachma" isn't convertible DFW Jul 2015 #4
The black markets will be how a lot of them survive. Warpy Jul 2015 #9
Merkel as a hardliner is a myth spun by the ones who paint her photo with a Hitler mustache DFW Jul 2015 #46
Hey, DFW, glad you dared to wade in here - SO spot on... Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #56
Where is Syriza getting the money for "issuing bank cards"? brooklynite Jul 2015 #10
I guess in the scenario listed they would be printing Drachmas like mad? I dont think folks rooting stevenleser Jul 2015 #25
It could be Euro-pegged IOUs, sort of like Brazil's transitional currency Recursion Jul 2015 #53
Economics 101... Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #57
The KKE has been inept Depaysement Jul 2015 #11
The KKE were the only ones telling the truth about Syriza... AOR Jul 2015 #18
So change will never come Depaysement Jul 2015 #23
You say: "So change will never come"... AOR Jul 2015 #27
Who cares about a rock solid analysis . . . Depaysement Jul 2015 #34
Not exactly sure what you are trying to say on this Depaysement... AOR Jul 2015 #36
Exactly Depaysement Jul 2015 #38
Well...not being on the ground there or involved... AOR Jul 2015 #45
Perhaps they wil be rewarded after all Depaysement Jul 2015 #48
Well again the KKE was spot on in calling it like it is... AOR Jul 2015 #62
I may have a way out Depaysement Jul 2015 #64
Not sure where you stand... AOR Jul 2015 #65
Hey there, Depaysement...you probably still have me on 'ignore', but on the off-chance... Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #59
The Greek Civil War - 1946–1949. Today's Greeks (by 66.5%) want to stay in the EU and the Euro-zone Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #58
The alternative in this case is the far right: Betty Karlson Jul 2015 #49
makes you wonder which German Bank put so fresh cash in Tsipras' Swiss bank account JCMach1 Jul 2015 #5
So that thing about the referendum "no" vote strengthening Greece's negotiating position, Nye Bevan Jul 2015 #12
Unfortunately he choose a finance minister that wrote a book on game theory and not PoliticAverse Jul 2015 #17
Now don't be harsh booksandpencils Jul 2015 #63
Time for Greece to recite part of this document: freshwest Jul 2015 #13
The EU wants that more than Greece FLPanhandle Jul 2015 #21
Greece hill2016 Jul 2015 #31
It doesn't matter, this is what precipitated the Greek actions that brought it to a head. n/t freshwest Jul 2015 #40
Its NOT "Blackmail". bvar22 Jul 2015 #14
So if my brother-in-law who already owes me a lot of money begs me for another loan, Nye Bevan Jul 2015 #19
You And Your Brother-In-Law Are Two People... WillyT Jul 2015 #24
So the identity of the people involved dumbcat Jul 2015 #28
Yes... When You Put Entire Democracies And Their People At Risk... Yes... WillyT Jul 2015 #29
The Ministry of Truth dumbcat Jul 2015 #41
So Apparently...None Of That Means Anything To You... WillyT Jul 2015 #42
Of course it does. It means you will change the definitions of words dumbcat Jul 2015 #43
I think hill2016 Jul 2015 #33
Here's a more appropriate analogy starroute Jul 2015 #26
Except that he doesn't "have" to do anything. Nye Bevan Jul 2015 #30
Many here think... Adrahil Jul 2015 #35
sounds hill2016 Jul 2015 #32
This would be the "in receivership" alternative. n/t PoliticAverse Jul 2015 #52
It's called a "debt colony" and it's how Europe treated most of Africa and Asia for years Recursion Jul 2015 #54
You may argue that with the OP in which the demands were called "blackmail". bvar22 Jul 2015 #60
Intentionally confusing "extortion" and "coercion" for a better-sounding bumper sticker? LanternWaste Jul 2015 #61
THANK YOU !!! WillyT Jul 2015 #22
It's quite close to the original meaning of 'blackmail' muriel_volestrangler Jul 2015 #47
I thought this was an interesting view on Greece's debt & one not mentioned much dflprincess Jul 2015 #39
Tsipras must become a sacrificial lamb if Syriza is to survive. joshcryer Jul 2015 #50
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