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173. The inspectors, and our records or temperatures and time composting

Tue Jan 4, 2022, 11:38 PM

Jan 2022

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or the records of the people the compost is purchased from.

Who must also be certified.

And I keep a few hundred sheep and the records must show a 6 month time gap between the sheep eating stubble or grazing a field prior to any food crop production upon it.

And these records are not perfunctory.

Organic certification is serious, and this, I suspect is where all the gripes about “big organic” come from. Because it is all a lot of extra bookkeeping and note keeping work.

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The USDA's new labeling for genetically modified foods goes into effect Jan. 1. [View all] brooklynite Jan 2022 OP

USDA once again toadying not fooled Jan 2022 #1

Your rather then not add the label? jimfields33 Jan 2022 #5

"or come with a phone number or QR code guiding consumers to more information online" not fooled Jan 2022 #8

You nailed it Achilleaze Jan 2022 #9

This is giant mega-toading. Richard D Jan 2022 #15

Yep - that's why cigarette warnings were standardized. NullTuples Jan 2022 #60

Relabeling "GMO" to "bioengineered" reminds me of how no_hypocrisy Jan 2022 #2

Not really as it point blank means it's not natural. cstanleytech Jan 2022 #12

Products can still carry organic and non-gmo labels. Chellee Jan 2022 #3

Does this mean every item in the grocery store will be labelled? cab67 Jan 2022 #4

That's kinda like saying... ret5hd Jan 2022 #6

actually - no, it's not. cab67 Jan 2022 #22

They put fish genes in tomatoes about 10 years ago Farmer-Rick Jan 2022 #28

Urban myth. cab67 Jan 2022 #30

Nope Farmer-Rick Jan 2022 #32

Yup. cab67 Jan 2022 #35

Still not a myth Farmer-Rick Jan 2022 #40

Your claim was.... cab67 Jan 2022 #44

I wouldn't consider most wild game squeaky clean either madville Jan 2022 #7

Almost all GMO free animal feed comes from Europe Farmer-Rick Jan 2022 #29

Yeah I would like to see the anti gmo crowd cinematicdiversions Jan 2022 #21

I would like to see the pro GMO crowd Farmer-Rick Jan 2022 #31

Genetically engineered wheat is not grown commercially within the US. Tumbulu Jan 2022 #121

That is awesome! NurseJackie Jan 2022 #125

There is a fundamental difference between conventional plant breeding and gene splicing. nt PufPuf23 Jan 2022 #25

There is, and for some reason, those practicing the engineering Tumbulu Jan 2022 #58

Fruits & vegetables have had stickers for yrs womanofthehills Jan 2022 #46

Mmmm. So the packaging might NOT be labeled at all and we have to look up a QR code? TeamProg Jan 2022 #10

Well one solution to the QR code would be to require special QR coloring cstanleytech Jan 2022 #13

We continue to live through the Rump changes. They last at least 2 years after leaving office. keopeli Jan 2022 #11

Meh! Not caring. GMO foods are disease resistant, drought resistant... NurseJackie Jan 2022 #14

Consider round-up ready corn and soy (and others, I believe) Richard D Jan 2022 #16

Yep not fooled Jan 2022 #18

Agree. (NT) Tumbulu Jan 2022 #38

That's a slightly different issue. cab67 Jan 2022 #23

Nope. Farmer-Rick Jan 2022 #33

Yes, thanks for all your posts! Tumbulu Jan 2022 #36

you're missing my point. cab67 Jan 2022 #42

What measuring system are you using? Acres of crops grown there were engineered Tumbulu Jan 2022 #37

I was referring to the numberof modifications. cab67 Jan 2022 #45

I believe most people go by acres planted to the crops, but I am glad to know how you calculated Tumbulu Jan 2022 #52

No- it really is the same in principle. cab67 Jan 2022 #53

Your assertion that where the genes Tumbulu Jan 2022 #56

We'll have to agree to disagree. cab67 Jan 2022 #59

Good idea to eat organic sugar! Louisiana & Florida ripen sugar cane with Roundup womanofthehills Jan 2022 #78

I agree.. "Not ok". When I came Cha Jan 2022 #55

We know they are getting cancer from Roundup because of all the billions Monsanto has paid out womanofthehills Jan 2022 #88

I do feel lucky sometimes Cha Jan 2022 #107

It is your right to not care, just as it is my right to care Tumbulu Jan 2022 #41

And tons of glyphosate- and cancers for farmers womanofthehills Jan 2022 #48

Link? Thanks in advance. NurseJackie Jan 2022 #51

Google is easy to use Tumbulu Jan 2022 #67

Yes it is. It also makes it easy to debunk wild exaggerations. NurseJackie Jan 2022 #68

Link??? There are thousands of links because there are so many cases and awards womanofthehills Jan 2022 #75

No. You first said "80% of GMO's are engineered to be sprayed with..." NurseJackie Jan 2022 #80

A few sources below - I see it as a percent listed on so many sites - probably higher numbers now womanofthehills Jan 2022 #95

Lots of links and quotes, but nothing that supports the original assertion. NurseJackie Jan 2022 #98

The original poster was not making wild exaggerations Tumbulu Jan 2022 #82

Lulz. NurseJackie Jan 2022 #85

90% of US grown soybeans, 95% of cotton, about the same amount of field corn Tumbulu Jan 2022 #90

TL;DR. NurseJackie Jan 2022 #91

Don't know what that means, but if you are unaware of which crops are engineered Tumbulu Jan 2022 #93

Google is easy to use. NurseJackie Jan 2022 #103

Wow, I really do not find your posts Tumbulu Jan 2022 #106

Okay. Well, I don't know what else I can say to you. NurseJackie Jan 2022 #124

Great book by investigative reporter Carry Gilliam on Monsanto/Roundup womanofthehills Jan 2022 #76

That's all very interesting, but it fails to address your original claim. NurseJackie Jan 2022 #81

Pray tell us how it fails Tumbulu Jan 2022 #83

I already have. NurseJackie Jan 2022 #86

OMG! According to the US Dept of Agriculture, I was wrong - more like 89 to 94% womanofthehills Jan 2022 #96

Nice cherries! NurseJackie Jan 2022 #99

Are you unaware of which crops utilize these technologies? Tumbulu Jan 2022 #109

Here's a good cherry pick chart from usda - it's actually scary womanofthehills Jan 2022 #119

Scary? Actually, no it's not. NurseJackie Jan 2022 #123

It's sad you don't think a company that knew their product caused cancer is not an enemy womanofthehills Jan 2022 #140

No, that's not what's sad. NurseJackie Jan 2022 #146

This is not correct at all. Tumbulu Jan 2022 #136

Yawn. NurseJackie Jan 2022 #137

I am spending quite a bit of my time trying to illuminate Tumbulu Jan 2022 #139

Sorry. The continual splitting of hairs does not make weak arguments any stronger. NurseJackie Jan 2022 #145

You have asked many Tumbulu Jan 2022 #147

No I haven't. NurseJackie Jan 2022 #148

non GMO is pseudo science grifting scam godfree2 Jan 2022 #17

That's what the gmo chem corps claim Achilleaze Jan 2022 #19

See my post above re the fact that there are different categories of GMOs. not fooled Jan 2022 #20

Can you share some of these concerns? cab67 Jan 2022 #24

I will share my distinction between the technology used in Ag versus Pharmaceuticals Tumbulu Jan 2022 #47

I agree with you and am a classical plant breeder Tumbulu Jan 2022 #43

Problem is the majority of GMO's were engineered for glyphosate use womanofthehills Jan 2022 #50

Non GMO is consumer and environmental self protection Farmer-Rick Jan 2022 #39

Seems like many countries have rejected GMO's womanofthehills Jan 2022 #77

It is important to note that the objection is to Tumbulu Jan 2022 #84

Nobody has done that. NurseJackie Jan 2022 #89

They most certainly have, take a look at NNadir's posts to me Tumbulu Jan 2022 #94

I believe the comparison is to the hysteria... NurseJackie Jan 2022 #97

Well, that is not how I interpreted it. Tumbulu Jan 2022 #108

There's nothing I can do about that. NurseJackie Jan 2022 #111

I assume the QR code will point to a Web site DBoon Jan 2022 #26

Opposition to genetic engineering is not just silly, it actually hurts people. NNadir Jan 2022 #27

Aside from obtaining kick backs, some short sighted scientists support GMOs Farmer-Rick Jan 2022 #34

That is a pretty rough statement Tumbulu Jan 2022 #49

It's slanderous? Why not sue the 107 Nobel Laureates who signed on to their objections to... NNadir Jan 2022 #54

Why are you using such aggressive language in these posts? Tumbulu Jan 2022 #57

That would be a very naive approach Major Nikon Jan 2022 #61

The organic industry is too small and powerless Tumbulu Jan 2022 #66

🤣😂🤣🙄 NurseJackie Jan 2022 #69

And the general rudeness of the people Tumbulu Jan 2022 #71

The anti-gmo movement is pure claptrap woo. Fear, fear, fear. NurseJackie Jan 2022 #72

You are unaware of the purge of ag scientists Tumbulu Jan 2022 #74

Ridiculous. NurseJackie Jan 2022 #87

Where were you in the '80's and '90's when this was going on? Tumbulu Jan 2022 #92

Sorry. This is not about me. NurseJackie Jan 2022 #100

Dismissing my personal experiences Tumbulu Jan 2022 #105

So now you're accusing me of being dishonest? NurseJackie Jan 2022 #113

I wonder why you would accuse me of such a thing? Tumbulu Jan 2022 #114

Enough. NurseJackie Jan 2022 #115

Offering long and thoughtful explanations to your particular questions Tumbulu Jan 2022 #116

What? NurseJackie Jan 2022 #117

The doublespeak isn't that hard to find Major Nikon Jan 2022 #130

It's a 62 billion dollar industry according to the Organic Trade Association Major Nikon Jan 2022 #129

Yes, which is less than 1% of ag Tumbulu Jan 2022 #135

Pretty sure you're now just being disingenuous Major Nikon Jan 2022 #141

The total industry within which organic ag finds itself was 1.1 trillion dollars Tumbulu Jan 2022 #142

You aren't making your assertion any less ridiculous Major Nikon Jan 2022 #143

The OP is about the USDA labeling of foods that have ingredients from genetically engineered crops Tumbulu Jan 2022 #144

Post removed Post removed Jan 2022 #63

Please re read your posts Tumbulu Jan 2022 #65

Genetic engineering is a well established science. Just about every protein drug is made using it, NNadir Jan 2022 #70

I think you need to reread my posts before Tumbulu Jan 2022 #73

Here we go with the "Golden Rice" again!! - FDA said it doesn't have enough nutrients womanofthehills Jan 2022 #102

Soylent Green takes place in 2022 notKeith Jan 2022 #62

More details (Federal Register): sl8 Jan 2022 #64

Does anyone know if GMO Rice is less affected by Pyricularia Oryzae. marie999 Jan 2022 #79

I want to make a broad statement here Tumbulu Jan 2022 #101

TL;DR NurseJackie Jan 2022 #104

Sorry. I am not familiar with "TL;DR." Could you please elaborate? TY alwaysinasnit Jan 2022 #110

I could. But instead, I'll recommend a google search. NurseJackie Jan 2022 #112

usually a snide remark indicating a post is irrelevent Kali Jan 2022 #131

Thank you so much Kali! alwaysinasnit Jan 2022 #132

Thanks Kali, I spent quite a bit of my free time ( which I don't have much of) Tumbulu Jan 2022 #138

Stylists and barbers also argue that they're "distinct" from each other. NurseJackie Jan 2022 #149

Perhaps you can explain why the plants produced by genetic engineering have been awarded Tumbulu Jan 2022 #152

Why should I do that? This type of pedantic hair-splitting tells me... NurseJackie Jan 2022 #155

You are arguing about something that I am not discussing whatsoever Tumbulu Jan 2022 #161

I don't have any questions. NurseJackie Jan 2022 #163

And here is a link that does a better job of distinguishing the differences Tumbulu Jan 2022 #154

Nothing in that tells me that GMO foods are dangerous. NurseJackie Jan 2022 #156

That is not what is being discussed Tumbulu Jan 2022 #160

It doesn't matter. GMO isn't dangerous or anything to be feared. NurseJackie Jan 2022 #162

It absolutely matters to many, which is why labeling Tumbulu Jan 2022 #167

It's just fear mongering. NurseJackie Jan 2022 #168

Of the traits which you espouse only one is the result of genetic engineering Tumbulu Jan 2022 #170

I'm not sure where this animosity towards GMO comes from. NurseJackie Jan 2022 #175

Correcting misperceptions is accuracy Tumbulu Jan 2022 #176

It's all semantics and hair-splitting... nothing more. NurseJackie Jan 2022 #177

The whole thing is stupid and not based upon science DenaliDemocrat Jan 2022 #118

It is your right to eat what you wish Tumbulu Jan 2022 #120

Sequencing a genome is indeed DenaliDemocrat Jan 2022 #128

It is not, is is using knowledge to inform one's strategy Tumbulu Jan 2022 #134

I'm a biochemist and have actually done DenaliDemocrat Jan 2022 #150

The distinctions between the two Tumbulu Jan 2022 #151

Here is a link to a thorough discussion of the topic Tumbulu Jan 2022 #153

Another wall of text. TL;DR. NurseJackie Jan 2022 #158

I think someone has just lost the "high-ground" when it comes to being offended at snark. NurseJackie Jan 2022 #157

I am not nice. I'm crusty, grumpy, and a labor democrat DenaliDemocrat Jan 2022 #159

I don't blame you. NurseJackie Jan 2022 #164

We have nutritious, cheap, and safe food DenaliDemocrat Jan 2022 #165

You make many valid points... NurseJackie Jan 2022 #166

raw manures are only allowed on conventional farms, Tumbulu Jan 2022 #169

25 years ago DenaliDemocrat Jan 2022 #171

All state and private certifiers went under the umbrella of the USDA Tumbulu Jan 2022 #174

And just for shots and grins DenaliDemocrat Jan 2022 #172

The inspectors, and our records or temperatures and time composting Tumbulu Jan 2022 #173

In my area the organic farmers are the Democrats and the commodity farmers Tumbulu Jan 2022 #178

My father spent 43 years in a coal mine DenaliDemocrat Jan 2022 #179

What exactly are you not buying? Tumbulu Jan 2022 #180

They are the left's equivalent of Antivaxxers... NT cinematicdiversions Jan 2022 #122

So, all of the regulators in the EU and Japan Tumbulu Jan 2022 #126

I challenge you to name me a modern crop DenaliDemocrat Jan 2022 #127

Wheat, rice, tomato, lettuce, sunflower, safflower, potatoes, sorghum, all beans, the list is long Tumbulu Jan 2022 #133