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98. Of curse 'before Jesus' was mentioned. People existed before he was born

Mon Jun 5, 2023, 08:52 PM

Jun 2023

The Old testament was before Jesus. But then again,"time" is never defined in the Bible as far as I know either. But if GOD created the heavens & the earth why couldn't other civilizations have been created as well? Religious people dont like to think about that, no, but nothing says it DIDNT happen either.
And to REALLY throw a wrench into their train of thought, what if Jesus was actually an alien? It could explain the miracles, the disappearance, the "virgin birth", etc. But boy oh boy, dont bring THAT up!

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Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin [View all] wackadoo wabbit Jun 2023 OP

Username checks out. FSogol Jun 2023 #1

I wonder if future AI-developed craft will be considered intrepidity Jun 2023 #2

So, so cool. Let organized religions chew on that. NewHendoLib Jun 2023 #3

they will expand their theology to include extraterrestrials RussBLib Jun 2023 #10

But I thought it's all written in the bible? No editing allowed! NewHendoLib Jun 2023 #38

Verbal Rorschach Effete Snob Jun 2023 #44

I'm not a religious person, but I admire your kind reaction. C Moon Jun 2023 #122

Of course, humans who were created in God's image will KPN Jun 2023 #189

Why would it diminish religion? oldsoftie Jun 2023 #45

The Bible portrays the savior of the universe as a male member of Sky Jewels Jun 2023 #87

Of curse 'before Jesus' was mentioned. People existed before he was born oldsoftie Jun 2023 #98

Not the universe, just humans Effete Snob Jun 2023 #121

This message was self-deleted by its author Tbear Jun 2023 #144

They probably said, "fuck this place." Haggard Celine Jun 2023 #181

I have two calvanist sisters Beachnutt Jun 2023 #218

They do. Predestination. Haggard Celine Jun 2023 #219

Yup, but you're thinking logically Farmer-Rick Jun 2023 #159

Scientologist certainly believe in UFO aliens Effete Snob Jun 2023 #163

"The Gods of Eden" by William Bramley was interesting intrepidity Jun 2023 #217

It's probably the spaceship Jesus used to get to heaven FakeNoose Jun 2023 #72

The Milky Way galaxy has 100 to 400 billion stars doc03 Jun 2023 #4

"They weren't interested in Earth" sdfernando Jun 2023 #9

2 space aliens looking down on earth. keithbvadu2 Jun 2023 #64

Aliens looking down central scrutinizer Jun 2023 #114

They would have already been informed of this by the cats. dchill Jun 2023 #125

Likely it takes hundreds of years. maxsolomon Jun 2023 #11

Similarly, has any planet with intelligent life been visited by members of other planets? xabriel Jun 2023 #20

How long does intelligent life last on any one planet? Effete Snob Jun 2023 #48

"Humans have only been around for 50-60 thousand years" SouthernDem4ever Jun 2023 #77

Yep Effete Snob Jun 2023 #120

Get out of the house more Jazz Jon Jun 2023 #188

It never made me stop in Indiana Effete Snob Jun 2023 #200

Data and Science Jazz Jon Jun 2023 #204

It would be more likely to be aliens travelling in space, than humans travelling in time and space muriel_volestrangler Jun 2023 #224

I hate it when they leave wrinkles in the blanket Hermit-The-Prog Jun 2023 #228

Yes - we can travel in any direction in space, but not in time (nt) muriel_volestrangler Jun 2023 #229

We're always travelling in time Hermit-The-Prog Jun 2023 #230

As I said, we can't travel in any direction in time. muriel_volestrangler Jun 2023 #232

Hold still a minute; gotta bleed them bad humours out of you. Hermit-The-Prog Jun 2023 #233

It's not just whether they'd be able to travel here Hugh_Lebowski Jun 2023 #67

My Son The Astronomer is doing exoplanet research. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2023 #111

We can see stars 1000 light years from earth. How do we know if any of them doc03 Jun 2023 #148

Astronomers have figured out how long various kinds of stars last. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2023 #167

Yeah, but getting out of their gravity wells can be a problem. n/t Igel Jun 2023 #223

? Red dwarfs don't have much of a gravity well. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2023 #226

Fascinating stuff Joinfortmill Jun 2023 #164

That's just our galaxy. AZ8theist Jun 2023 #139

The volume of empty space is far greater and more incomprehensible Effete Snob Jun 2023 #141

Could we be just like an atom, a part of some larger object or doc03 Jun 2023 #149

We could be a booger in God's nose Effete Snob Jun 2023 #150

Only if you're high on weed.... AZ8theist Jun 2023 #193

So that is where Gym Jordan came from? Botany Jun 2023 #5

That's seriously insulting to E.T! PortTack Jun 2023 #26

LOL!!! calimary Jun 2023 #78

Probably why the aliens 👽 hauled ass as fast as they could... rubbersole Jun 2023 #28

how is this website press release LBN? nt msongs Jun 2023 #6

The source is not well known. The postulations are not reviewed by peers. Not LBN to my eyes. keopeli Jun 2023 #30

+++ JohnSJ Jun 2023 #43

I agree Progressive dog Jun 2023 #97

It's embarrassing to DU that this is on LBN, imo yardwork Jun 2023 #191

so one of the authors involved is Garry P. Nolan drray23 Jun 2023 #7

I guarantee you'll find a retired US Navy admiral who says its all true Effete Snob Jun 2023 #19

Well dont leave us hanging; who was the admiral? oldsoftie Jun 2023 #47

That's the thing Effete Snob Jun 2023 #50

"go quietly nuts". HA!! You could say the same about some doctors. oldsoftie Jun 2023 #54

Yep Effete Snob Jun 2023 #57

Dr Robert Malone comes to mind oldsoftie Jun 2023 #59

William Shockley Effete Snob Jun 2023 #61

There was literally an X-Files episode about this. yardwork Jun 2023 #154

Correct. "as if" bucolic_frolic Jun 2023 #8

And they haven't taken over the planet ToxMarz Jun 2023 #12

They probably don't want anything to do with us Beaverhausen Jun 2023 #63

This guy is saying it really WAS the aliens . . . zuul Jun 2023 #13

Must be aliens. Who else does his hair? calimary Jun 2023 #88

I am absolutely, 100% ready to believe this William Seger Jun 2023 #14

"We are ready to believe you!" zuul Jun 2023 #17

All the space aliens I know tell me they don't need spaceships. hunter Jun 2023 #15

I've Met Others ProfessorGAC Jun 2023 #41

People have limited imaginations, so they come up with spaceships Effete Snob Jun 2023 #55

Extrapolating along those lines, I guess we must allow for the possibility of 'God' then too Hugh_Lebowski Jun 2023 #73

Just one? Effete Snob Jun 2023 #118

Has anyone here ever heard of the source "thedebrief.org"? xabriel Jun 2023 #16

I had not heard of it, so I asked Bard dbonds Jun 2023 #22

I wonder, if you asked thedebrief.org about the credibility of Bard, what would they say? muriel_volestrangler Jun 2023 #68

You need to respect our new AI overlords :-) dbonds Jun 2023 #156

How could you have missed this Pulitzer-worthy reportage? Effete Snob Jun 2023 #24

Me too msfiddlestix Jun 2023 #165

Well, you see... Effete Snob Jun 2023 #166

LOL. Great point! msfiddlestix Jun 2023 #170

Well, cows aren't human. cloudbase Jun 2023 #18

It's too bad the ship crashed. louis-t Jun 2023 #21

You fools! Sedona Jun 2023 #23

one of my favorite cartoons of this misbegotten era. maxsolomon Jun 2023 #37

I love that cartoon. area51 Jun 2023 #92

I'll believe it when physical evidence of technology beyond our understanding is produced . . . hatrack Jun 2023 #25

That happens all of the time Effete Snob Jun 2023 #32

Never mind - missed your earlier post. hatrack Jun 2023 #34

I'm with you on this. Not a very very credible claim IMO. wnylib Jun 2023 #81

It has been. Jazz Jon Jun 2023 #197

Welcome to ignore. I don't need woo from you or anyone else on this site. hatrack Jun 2023 #216

Hey! Look over there! They've recovered bits and pieces of an alien space ship! TurboDem Jun 2023 #27

If'n and this is a big If'n these are crashed UFO vehicles. GreenWave Jun 2023 #29

Ok, so say this guy's story is true... Kablooie Jun 2023 #31

See my note above Effete Snob Jun 2023 #33

I guess its possible that modes of transport exist that we know nothing about. oldsoftie Jun 2023 #51

Including what those things are! Kablooie Jun 2023 #96

Not really. As silly as he sounded, Rumsfeld WAS right. oldsoftie Jun 2023 #99

Of course we don't know everything Effete Snob Jun 2023 #145

Scientology, like Trumpism, is a cult. oldsoftie Jun 2023 #155

Based on UFO's Effete Snob Jun 2023 #161

L Ron Hubbard figured out he could make a lot more money PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2023 #171

Mormons too Effete Snob Jun 2023 #173

True, but you missed an important piece: just because the USA has pretty strict security mechanisms Hugh_Lebowski Jun 2023 #80

That's the really tragic part for the UFO aliens Effete Snob Jun 2023 #146

Radio signals would probably not be able to be listened to PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2023 #162

If you clap it will reassemble itself BootinUp Jun 2023 #35

For so many reasons just no. Eko Jun 2023 #36

Obvious bs Mosby Jun 2023 #39

I mean, some Republicans are of "Non-human origin" tinrobot Jun 2023 #40

So these Klingons come from 3 1/2 galaxies away from us.... Make it all the way here, and 3Hotdogs Jun 2023 #42

even Boebert has enough brains to find a camera taxi Jun 2023 #49

They missed that left turn at Albuquerque Effete Snob Jun 2023 #52

🤣👍 Karma13612 Jun 2023 #220

And then they had to thumb their way back. At least I think those were their thumbs. marble falls Jun 2023 #102

This message was self-deleted by its author James48 Jun 2023 #46

I say bullshit. chowder66 Jun 2023 #53

If there are intelligent aliens elsewhere why would they bother with our planet? Ford_Prefect Jun 2023 #56

Because humans are the center of the universe Effete Snob Jun 2023 #58

OTOH we might actually be the only life form this advanced that's lived in the last 500M years Hugh_Lebowski Jun 2023 #76

I've felt that way for a long time Effete Snob Jun 2023 #119

This is why we always get on so well (nt) Hugh_Lebowski Jun 2023 #135

Yup. Joinfortmill Jun 2023 #169

Yes. My Son The Astronomer tells me that PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2023 #172

Maybe we still have some "attributes" that they have lost to evolution. roamer65 Jun 2023 #105

From the OP, replies, wikis and article, it all turns into confirmation bias. PurgedVoter Jun 2023 #60

"if it was all fake to make other nations think we had an edge" Effete Snob Jun 2023 #65

Without pictures... Xoan Jun 2023 #62

Here, look Effete Snob Jun 2023 #66

We're obviously fucked as a species. Maybe, just maybe, we can evolve. Evolve Dammit Jun 2023 #69

Username checks out. FSogol Jun 2023 #143

It's a cookbook!!!! Scrivener7 Jun 2023 #70

i seen this story on youtube and said do not recomend channel. if it pops up agin AllaN01Bear Jun 2023 #71

What is the criteria for "nonhuman orgin"? zipplewrath Jun 2023 #74

Let's say it was something that levitates with no propulsion... Polybius Jun 2023 #106

Because? zipplewrath Jun 2023 #107

I get what you're saying Polybius Jun 2023 #116

We're still puzzled by things made by humans with rocks Effete Snob Jun 2023 #123

How about something simpler Effete Snob Jun 2023 #151

That's an extraordinary claim. cab67 Jun 2023 #75

When people find out what they have been up too and for how long, they are gonna be pissed. Mr. Sparkle Jun 2023 #79

Thank you. Very illuminating interview. Kid Berwyn Jun 2023 #153

It's past time to share everything with the people. I'm sure that churches would be against TeamProg Jun 2023 #82

The irony Effete Snob Jun 2023 #124

Only small thinkers would even THINK that ideology plays no part of what you just said. TeamProg Jun 2023 #128

UFO nonsense Effete Snob Jun 2023 #131

I'm just a simple, curious Atheist who sees very little good in religious TeamProg Jun 2023 #134

Yes, that's the point Effete Snob Jun 2023 #140

Is Scientology a "church" in your world? Effete Snob Jun 2023 #168

They can have their beliefs and if they want to call themselves a "church" I suppose they can. Wow, TeamProg Jun 2023 #174

Upset? Effete Snob Jun 2023 #176

Face the fact that the leadership of organized religion don't actually live by or believe much of TeamProg Jun 2023 #178

And? Effete Snob Jun 2023 #179

Question: LiberalLovinLug Jun 2023 #196

Anything is possible Effete Snob Jun 2023 #198

Good answer! LiberalLovinLug Jun 2023 #206

Oh good golly Effete Snob Jun 2023 #213

Will you answer a question of mine? Effete Snob Jun 2023 #201

Did I dismiss that? LiberalLovinLug Jun 2023 #214

Funny thing- sarisataka Jun 2023 #183

Vatican has had astronomers for centuries. A "partnership" with SETI? I'd have to see docs on that. TeamProg Jun 2023 #187

Perhaps partnership isn't the right word sarisataka Jun 2023 #190

Its all.....bullshit. Just due to the distances involved, even alien particles/pieces would have.... machoneman Jun 2023 #83

Interesting theory nowforever Jun 2023 #84

Magadonians? TrumpBirdBrainians? WTF?? NoMoreRepugs Jun 2023 #85

Total nonsense . EmeraldCoaster Jun 2023 #86

+1 BootinUp Jun 2023 #113

I wana see pix of the aliens spacecraft onetexan Jun 2023 #89

I'm nearly finished with "In Plain Sight" Ross Coulhart an Australian Journalist who's researched... electric_blue68 Jun 2023 #90

I see no reason to think or say it's impossible there are other beings in this immeasurably huge MLAA Jun 2023 #91

No one says that Effete Snob Jun 2023 #126

Here we go from Ross Coulhart investigative journalist who has been been dismissive of much ... electric_blue68 Jun 2023 #93

LOL. Gallaudet is a retired US Navy admiral. muriel_volestrangler Jun 2023 #225

Wait! Did all these UFOs come just to the U.S? None to our allies, our enemies or the other Wonder Why Jun 2023 #94

Did you read the article at the link? WheelWalker Jun 2023 #109

I did Effete Snob Jun 2023 #127

Well, it's either true or it's false. Fact or fictition. If not actual and true, WheelWalker Jun 2023 #136

No, there are things which are neither true nor false Effete Snob Jun 2023 #195

I see what you did there. WheelWalker Jun 2023 #205

Is it the same one the Brits have? JHB Jun 2023 #95

Don't forget your towell. Hermit-The-Prog Jun 2023 #231

I always know where my towel is. JHB Jun 2023 #236

Two questions. Mr.Bill Jun 2023 #100

The "Church" and religious types will rationalize ANYTHING, change every goal post or previous TeamProg Jun 2023 #101

The church and religious types... Effete Snob Jun 2023 #130

Please, please, please let this be true! Polybius Jun 2023 #103

Request denied Effete Snob Jun 2023 #129

I think not. mwb970 Jun 2023 #138

Maybe Bob Lazar wasn't lying. roamer65 Jun 2023 #104

The Debrief.com? Fiendish Thingy Jun 2023 #108

How about this one: Polybius Jun 2023 #117

The more I read, the less I'm convinced. muriel_volestrangler Jun 2023 #160

"unique atomic arrangements" or "radiological signatures", Disaffected Jun 2023 #222

This Story Was Originally Going to Be Run By The Washington Post. ruet Jun 2023 #157

"(The UAP task force) has since been reorganized and expanded into the All-Domain Anomaly... LudwigPastorius Jun 2023 #110

This message was self-deleted by its author traitorsgalore Jun 2023 #112

It probably has so many recs BWdem4life Jun 2023 #132

Because it matters to democracy? Kid Berwyn Jun 2023 #158

It's a shame the aliens only contacted US government officials... Effete Snob Jun 2023 #180

Bullshit. n/t AnrothElf Jun 2023 #115

Former. mahina Jun 2023 #133

Sorry, not buying it. mwb970 Jun 2023 #137

So, decades of recovering "non-human" crafts... SKKY Jun 2023 #142

Well, there's your proof right there! Effete Snob Jun 2023 #147

Leslie Kean is TOPS. Kid Berwyn Jun 2023 #152

Show us the actual retrieved craft. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2023 #175

This is Some BS! Deep State Witch Jun 2023 #177

That's a funny show. nt Tommy Carcetti Jun 2023 #186

Fox news, the Sun and Daily Mail are really running with this quakerboy Jun 2023 #182

are the odds better than the vikings winning the super bowl? dembotoz Jun 2023 #184

Virtually anything sarisataka Jun 2023 #192

I mean, okay? Tommy Carcetti Jun 2023 #185

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. honest.abe Jun 2023 #194

Always going to be naysayers, who will deny anything and everything, even it smacks them SWBTATTReg Jun 2023 #199

So, why do you dismiss the possibility of future human time travelers? Effete Snob Jun 2023 #202

I didn't dismiss anything. You did. SWBTATTReg Jun 2023 #203

There needs to be physical evidence that is thoroughly examined and analyzed by experts. honest.abe Jun 2023 #207

And you don't think that there any evidence? Of course you would know. NT SWBTATTReg Jun 2023 #208

So where is it?? honest.abe Jun 2023 #209

Like I said, it could in front of your face and you would deny it. Why mess w/ people like you? SWBTATTReg Jun 2023 #210

Thanks for the personal insult. honest.abe Jun 2023 #211

People get upset when you challenge their religious dogma Effete Snob Jun 2023 #215

Provides an interesting angle on the Fermi paradox. Permanut Jun 2023 #212

The Top 5 Things Wrong with UFO Retrieval Program Story TeamProg Jun 2023 #221

The RNC had its private jet seized? cstanleytech Jun 2023 #227

You ever see desantis laugh? Uncanny valley galore BrinksHomeSexcurity Jun 2023 #234

Needs to be checked for dental fillings. miyazaki Jun 2023 #235

It's looking more and more like he's telling the truth Polybius Jun 2023 #237

How so? What's changed? n/t shrike3 Jun 2023 #238

His background has come out a bit more Polybius Jun 2023 #239

Which proves nothing. shrike3 Jun 2023 #240

"DeBrief is a notably UFO-friendly outfit." shrike3 Jun 2023 #241

I doubt everyone is lying to him Polybius Jun 2023 #243

Who are "they"? shrike3 Jun 2023 #244

He said he's seen the documents, stating that the recovery program is real and we have 12 craft Polybius Jun 2023 #245

Where did he say this? Besides, it sounds familiar. shrike3 Jun 2023 #246

"What's up with those claims the US has recovered UFOs?" shrike3 Jun 2023 #242