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jeff47

(26,549 posts)
16. Did you miss the part where those aren't illegal?
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 11:25 PM
Jun 2012

Fun fact: The executive branch can do almost anything to foreigners in a war. Like create assassination lists. Don't like it? Get Congress to rescind the massively over-broad AUMF passed after 9/11.

Manning abuse? About the only one that's actually legally abuse was the punitive suicide watch. The people that did it had their careers ended and Manning has wonderful grounds to sue when he's not busy.....but it also doesn't mean he gets away with leaking.

Using the Espionage Act to prosecute whistleblowers? Leaking classified is illegal. Even when you claim you have good intentions for doing so. There are multiple independent channels to expose wrongdoing without leaking to the press.

So, let's pretend Assange is arrested by the DOJ. His lawyer files a motion that points out that he is not charged with a crime that can be prosecuted. Judge orders his release and he gets a nice payday in his subsequent lawsuit against the government.

Oh, but all this crap still assumes the US is waiting until Assange goes to Sweden to extradite him. Which again is fucking stupid. I have found no cases where the UK denied extradition to the US in the last 40 years. The only "wrinkle" in extradition was the requirement that the US not seek the death penalty. Once that was waved, the suspect was extradited.

So, what's your argument that extradition would work better from Sweden? We've got a fantastic track record from the UK. Seems really, really, really dumb to wait.

Are Assange's fears justified? [View all] EFerrari Jun 2012 OP
I don't know, but I entirely understand his concerns. Lionessa Jun 2012 #1
His extradition to Sweden is based solely on being wanted for questioning dipsydoodle Jun 2012 #2
The government claims the right to hold prisoners indefinitely without charge EFerrari Jun 2012 #5
Not unless the governmental policy is to protect war criminals and go after whistle-blowers. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #3
Well done. nt bemildred Jun 2012 #8
Note to Assange: When it is Officially Denied, Consider it True solarman350 Jun 2012 #4
Does that mean that if its 'officially acknowledged' that its false? n/t Bodhi BloodWave Jun 2012 #9
Here's where this conspiracy theory falls down: jeff47 Jun 2012 #6
They just want to keep him penned up. bemildred Jun 2012 #7
Now THAT makes sense. But it's caused by Assange's actions, not a US conspiracy. (nt) jeff47 Jun 2012 #11
Assange caused the US to want to keep him penned up? bemildred Jun 2012 #13
They dislike that he published classified. jeff47 Jun 2012 #17
So that's a "no"? nt bemildred Jun 2012 #21
I really don't see how you got "no" out of that. jeff47 Jun 2012 #22
I don't see any causation in that. bemildred Jun 2012 #23
Public records aren't stamped SECRET. jeff47 Jun 2012 #24
All government records are public records. bemildred Jun 2012 #25
Now that's a novel theory. I bet none of the governments above you hold it. struggle4progress Jun 2012 #26
What's that you say? bemildred Jun 2012 #27
No. Unless you think the government should publish your address and social security number. jeff47 Jun 2012 #28
Those are public. Anybody can get them. Are you nuts? nt bemildred Jun 2012 #29
I can get your social security number without your permission? jeff47 Jun 2012 #30
Well, all right then, you can redact the SSNs. nt bemildred Jun 2012 #33
Not evil shadowy forces, jeff. Obama's Department of Justice. EFerrari Jun 2012 #10
Did you miss the part where this was not new and not prosecutable? (nt) jeff47 Jun 2012 #12
No. Did you miss the part where this Justice Department signed off on EFerrari Jun 2012 #14
Did you miss the part where those aren't illegal? jeff47 Jun 2012 #16
I'm talking about human rights abuses and your argument is that they're legal? EFerrari Jun 2012 #18
The US is waiting until it suits them, and here are the numbers, Mr Legal Expert reorg Jun 2012 #20
This is just a stupid game. US free speech law will, with few exceptions, protect anyone who merely struggle4progress Jun 2012 #15
"US free speech law will, with few exceptions, protect anyone who merely received & published info." EFerrari Jun 2012 #19
kr Solly Mack Jun 2012 #31
TRUTH, LEADERSHIP, MORALS AND VALUES AND AMERICA clang1 Jun 2012 #32
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