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46. Good. "Don't let the bastards grind you down," as the old saying goes.

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I don't know what the hell is wrong with DU right now. [View all] Tobin S. Dec 2014 OP

Black folks here have been the long dead canaries in the DU coal mine ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #1

I think that many of us white folks are shutting up about and really reading the posts of JDPriestly Dec 2014 #7

+1 nt steve2470 Dec 2014 #9

+ another Scuba Dec 2014 #49

+100. Thanks for listening with an open-mind! Nt Anansi1171 Dec 2014 #103

No, I'm on board with you BOTH! cilla4progress Dec 2014 #2

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Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2014 #196

Because someone is Black that doesn't upaloopa Dec 2014 #3

Holy shit! Tobin S. Dec 2014 #4

You don't know shit about me. upaloopa Dec 2014 #11

I haven't claimed to know anything about you! Tobin S. Dec 2014 #15

His opinion. Your reaction makes it truth. nt TeamPooka Dec 2014 #22

DingDingding We have a winner! Upaloopa - you just proved the OP's point. Tommymac Dec 2014 #48

No jumping on the couch! marym625 Dec 2014 #119

Sorry Mom. Got a bit carried away. Tommymac Dec 2014 #128

OK then marym625 Dec 2014 #129

Actually, you start to get to know someone with 5,500+ posts. We're getting to know each other. marble falls Dec 2014 #79

Thank you for your OP JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #52

Right.. who knew.. a perfect example would pop up on this thread? Cha Dec 2014 #63

Like this one? JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #66

Precisely, Gen.. it never fails. They cannot help themselves, even in the AA Group. It's all about Cha Dec 2014 #67

You hit it on the nose there, racism is a white and white ONLY problem in america and most white randys1 Dec 2014 #106

+ ellenrr Dec 2014 #84

As you see/will see ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #151

You saw it too eh? JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #170

They may know more about black issues than you do though. bravenak Dec 2014 #6

I warned him brave - no more "shut up" or he will be blocked JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #53

Good. bravenak Dec 2014 #57

You are posting in a group, brer cat Dec 2014 #8

I didn't piss on anyone's thread. upaloopa Dec 2014 #13

Your responses in this thread BainsBane Dec 2014 #16

Your words are right there for everyone to see, you certainly did pee in this thread, & this GROUP. Raine1967 Dec 2014 #39

Let me make this clear: You don't speak for me. and as far as a 'blanket description': Raine1967 Dec 2014 #45

You most certainly did JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #54

Yes you did, for everyone to see. sheshe2 Dec 2014 #71

As opposed to your blanket references to black people, ie: "them"? Your problem is the correct .... marble falls Dec 2014 #81

You just go on and on heaven05 Dec 2014 #121

What does that even mean? notadmblnd Dec 2014 #14

Wow how disrspectful to OP! This is exactly what he was talking about. ncjustice80 Dec 2014 #23

Group Host weighing in JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #50

Just one point this is a specific forum for sanctuary from the general still_one Dec 2014 #158

two kinds of trolls: paid and unpaid steve2470 Dec 2014 #5

Wish I could rec your posting yuiyoshida Dec 2014 #12

the same goes for Asian-American related threads steve2470 Dec 2014 #35

Plus 1000 JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #55

The listening and learning part BainsBane Dec 2014 #17

yep I agree nt steve2470 Dec 2014 #28

seriously BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2014 #36

Many paid trolls all over the internet, and their main job is to get Democrats NOT to vote in 2016 randys1 Dec 2014 #108

I don't believe it for a minute. Agschmid Dec 2014 #163

they call into liberal radio shows ALL the time, they are here too randys1 Dec 2014 #167

Yup and they are called assholes, they aren't paid trolls. Agschmid Dec 2014 #189

Thom Hartmann is the one who asserted it, and I agree. Maybe he would know more randys1 Dec 2014 #202

I'm saying they don't need to pay to do it... Agschmid Dec 2014 #203

I agree but I listen to tons and tons of liberal talk radio and hear the same 7 or 8 voices randys1 Dec 2014 #205

+1000 heaven05 Dec 2014 #124

That's kinda true for many topics jeff47 Dec 2014 #10

WTF!?!? It's raining! marble falls Dec 2014 #82

It's almost as if people going on a political chat want to chat about politics... kioa Dec 2014 #105

I just did a test post on class warfare and got some denials. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2014 #18

Don't worry..... DeSwiss Dec 2014 #19

Shut up and just listen War Horse Dec 2014 #20

Where is the barrage of threads bemoaning black-on-white racism? Doctor_J Dec 2014 #21

What's this about? bravenak Dec 2014 #25

I saw the thread on the Greatest page, clicked on it, and would like to be pointed to some of the Doctor_J Dec 2014 #29

Ok. bravenak Dec 2014 #32

Since you're here BainsBane Dec 2014 #41

No racism here at DU, just white privileged people pretending racism doesnt exist... randys1 Dec 2014 #110

Exactly and they are using pretzel logic to rationalize their position. Debating it, is futile. Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2014 #125

Go back to February 2014 JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #60

Well, the OP seemed to indicate a very recent torrent of busy, blatantly racist threads Doctor_J Dec 2014 #156

What the hell are you talking about? Where is the black on white RACISM that you whining about? Number23 Dec 2014 #174

take a look DonCoquixote Dec 2014 #272

How do you know the Color of a person on DU? Cryptoad Dec 2014 #24

Self identification. bravenak Dec 2014 #27

Self proclamation still has not meaning......you can say you are anything.... Cryptoad Dec 2014 #33

Who pretends to be black for fun and continues while getting trolled everyday by name removed? bravenak Dec 2014 #38

name removed lol rbrnmw Dec 2014 #152

I always imagine this guy. bravenak Dec 2014 #154

LOL rbrnmw Dec 2014 #161

hahahahahaha Cali_Democrat Dec 2014 #268

Don't feed the trolls. They're not worth it. They're like talk radio or shit on a dinner plate. valerief Dec 2014 #232

I agree steve2470 Dec 2014 #236

She's black JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #58

Well, I chose my screen-name for pure sh!ts and giggles ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #155

Me? JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #159

Crypto's not talking about posts in the AA group. And neither was the OP Doctor_J Dec 2014 #34

Because I'm mean? bravenak Dec 2014 #37

A Trusting Soul......... Cryptoad Dec 2014 #40

Are you talking about me? bravenak Dec 2014 #42

You are marym625 Dec 2014 #51

Thank you. bravenak Dec 2014 #56

+ 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! WillyT Dec 2014 #26

a lot of that stuff would have been shut down by mods. mopinko Dec 2014 #30

You bring up a huge problem Fred Friendlier Dec 2014 #31

Wow, way to throw a jab in at atheists, there. F4lconF16 Dec 2014 #78

White ATHEISTS are the problem? WTF randys1 Dec 2014 #111

I don't know about "atheists"; but, they are certainly ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #162

As a white atheist I see no truth in your proclamation that we are the problem justiceischeap Dec 2014 #285

Yea, damned atheists. LiberalAndProud Dec 2014 #311

Ridiculous deflection. Feral Child Dec 2014 #319

Well said. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2014 #43

I am not easily discouraged. :) bravenak Dec 2014 #44

Good. "Don't let the bastards grind you down," as the old saying goes. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2014 #46

I have learned the most by making false assumptions over and over and having randys1 Dec 2014 #113

Melissa Harris Perry offered the following ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #164

We can confront it gwheezie Dec 2014 #47

Can you edit OP? JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #59

Will do. n/t Tobin S. Dec 2014 #86

That will go a long way to stopping nonsense JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #87

seriously do DonCoquixote Dec 2014 #253

"What that basically means for me is shutting up about it and really listening to black people." Cha Dec 2014 #61

I think suggesting that anyone needs to 'shut up' because of race to be condescending at best. kioa Dec 2014 #91

When the one person is trying to have his/her opinion ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #165

Thank you. Cha Dec 2014 #169

The DU LGBT community has gone through this animus on DU and sometimes people justiceischeap Dec 2014 #286

I agree Tobin S. that listening and learning is essential. lovemydog Dec 2014 #62

is this about the d_b Dec 2014 #64

Nope - a pattern of behavior that is rotten to the core JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #65

Mahalo for the links, Gen. Cha Dec 2014 #68

Its the polite racist that are the dangerous ones. I learned about racism at the feet of my..... marble falls Dec 2014 #85

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #166

I lived at W45th and Lorain and 140th and Puritas. In the 1950's and early 60's. Kids have to be.... marble falls Dec 2014 #168

Jesus...i am so sorry you had to experience that. randys1 Dec 2014 #325

That's just it ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #327

since a certain person asked where to find examples DonCoquixote Dec 2014 #271

He trashed the thread JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #273

of course DonCoquixote Dec 2014 #274

I have just read through your links and.... Spazito Dec 2014 #290

I took the time to read thru your links, JAG. Thanks for putting the post together Hekate Dec 2014 #313

I have been staying away from the threads marym625 Dec 2014 #69

I came back to DU to have a look around and I'm just sickened. myrna minx Dec 2014 #70

"shutting up...and really listening to black people". It's really that simple. Mister Ed Dec 2014 #72

they won;t say it DonCoquixote Dec 2014 #73

No, I think more accurately ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #171

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Well Tobin there is a real problem here Kalidurga Dec 2014 #77

swearing isn't allowed here? marym625 Dec 2014 #122

In real life I have been told that I cus bad enough to make a sailor blush Kalidurga Dec 2014 #142

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Dec 2014 #80

Even if there were a lot of posts like that here (which I have not seen) Tobin S. Dec 2014 #89

Words only carry what power we give them. kioa Dec 2014 #95

That's not exactly what I said. Tobin S. Dec 2014 #97

You wrote the OP. If you don't want people to listen to you, you're going about it in an odd manner. kioa Dec 2014 #98

Welcome to being black in America JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #100

Did I do something wrong? If so, say what it is. kioa Dec 2014 #102

You might want to read through the the first pae of posts in this group JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #107

You made an issue specifically with MY comment & by extension with me. kioa Dec 2014 #109

I never told you to shut up JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #112

You engaged me. If you have a problem with anything I have said, please, say so. kioa Dec 2014 #118

This is enough JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #120

Very well. Lets take a step back. kioa Dec 2014 #126

You are not understanding the op. bravenak Dec 2014 #127

At no time have I ever kioa Dec 2014 #130

That's because the op is not about you. bravenak Dec 2014 #132

Because statements addressed to the public.... kioa Dec 2014 #136

Hey, guess what? bravenak Dec 2014 #137

Strange. The OP telling others to "shut up" doesn't address me. kioa Dec 2014 #141

Hey! bravenak Dec 2014 #144

"shutting up" is NOT the point of OP. heaven05 Dec 2014 #143

You are demonstrating your views on race BainsBane Dec 2014 #267

I have zero problem with you JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #131

Your first sentence of your post and the first sentence of your final paragraph directly contradict kioa Dec 2014 #135

Your participation is up for review JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #140

Do you realize gollygee Dec 2014 #180

you are so obviously not listening to what other posters are telling you fishwax Dec 2014 #270

The point is to listen BainsBane Dec 2014 #265

you were never told, specifically, to shut up heaven05 Dec 2014 #139

There is a collection of letters though heaven05 Dec 2014 #138

Those are absolutely descriptions of 300 years of abuse. kioa Dec 2014 #146

well good heaven05 Dec 2014 #147

I think my original statement was fairly bland & self apparent. kioa Dec 2014 #148

your original statement heaven05 Dec 2014 #149

You're right. He didn't tell one person to "shut up". He told many people to "shut up" kioa Dec 2014 #150

"shut up" = white people need to listen and learn steve2470 Dec 2014 #153

I simply made the very simple statement that kioa Dec 2014 #157

what you were doing with this dead-horse beating Kali Dec 2014 #186

I did JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #201

Yeah, you were way to kind to that one... giftedgirl77 Dec 2014 #257

what are you talking about? rbrnmw Dec 2014 #185

I don't agree with your assessment of DU. yes there are racists, ellenrr Dec 2014 #83

It's not just about the recent conflicts with the police Tobin S. Dec 2014 #90

Someone alerted on this thread? JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #93

Yes. I got a PM about it. Tobin S. Dec 2014 #94

well, I'll defer to you, bec. I haven't been a regular poster for very long. I think ellenrr Dec 2014 #96

They haven't been though JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #99

I think it's bad enough to have racist posts anywhere on DU, but there are special ellenrr Dec 2014 #104

I've been a host here for awhile JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #114

Appreciate that. I'm glad to be here. I'll probably read more than write, ellenrr Dec 2014 #115

I agree with his assessment JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #92

The simple truth about this place is there is a large group of rightwingers, who post in certain randys1 Dec 2014 #116

I think if you complain in Ask the Admin JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #117

Funny ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #173

I bet HE was! JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #176

Perhaps ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #177

Well it's not childish if it's true! JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #179

lol rbrnmw Dec 2014 #182

& now that his posting priveleges have been revoked... giftedgirl77 Dec 2014 #318

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #324

that is so not true about you rbrnmw Dec 2014 #181

Thanks ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #184

You have no such history gollygee Dec 2014 #187

Perhaps, but the fabricated B.S. got the hide. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #188

Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #172

It's out there, ellen. Feral Child Dec 2014 #320

WOW!!! bravenak Dec 2014 #323

It was your posts that made me look Feral Child Dec 2014 #326

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There are members of the white community who have taken their privilege for granted. Baitball Blogger Dec 2014 #101

The problem abelenkpe Dec 2014 #123

+1 bravenak Dec 2014 #133

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Great discussion heaven05 Dec 2014 #145

And made it all about those two words JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #160

Thanks, Tobin. Though this will fall on deaf ears like so many other OPs imploring people to get out Number23 Dec 2014 #175

I use to trash the threads and was not going to comment rbrnmw Dec 2014 #183

"White people here do not seem to understand that without the black community the Democratic party Number23 Dec 2014 #178

Agreed ferverently with all you said. And they are shameless and refuse to listen. freshwest Dec 2014 #194

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Well said, Number23! Spazito Dec 2014 #291

Yes yes yes Hekate Dec 2014 #314

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Hopefully you'll be out of here before you get a chance to even see my post Number23 Dec 2014 #191

lol, thanks to that (deleted) poster, who in the last paragraph, ellenrr Dec 2014 #192

Damn. I feel neglected! n/t 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #266

oh you didn't make the list? ellenrr Dec 2014 #278

Where have I seen this before? JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #199

You've read that here at least twice before from other one post wonders. marble falls Dec 2014 #200

I think I know who that is rbrnmw Dec 2014 #204

Thanks for preserving this post. I always want to see the Name Removed posts. kwassa Dec 2014 #208

" I wonder if this is our old friend .... now on vacation." Number23 Dec 2014 #218

There is no jury mechanism to reveal a pattern of abuse .... kwassa Dec 2014 #221

DU will be "saved" by "making it open to more conservative views"?! Hekate Dec 2014 #315

the Carlton Banks thing was such a joke JI7 Dec 2014 #193

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It is getting worse by the hour...Why is this alleged liberal message board dominated randys1 Dec 2014 #206

Did you happen to see this Op posted in AA just a few minutes ago? bravenak Dec 2014 #207

that guy came from Stormfront-lite (Discussionist) or the real Stormfront steve2470 Dec 2014 #209

I think so too. bravenak Dec 2014 #210

You are being attacked by long time members of DU, why shouldnt rightwing racists from randys1 Dec 2014 #212

Name removed is the most prolific poster right now. bravenak Dec 2014 #216

OK, now "name removed" is not one poster, right? "name removed" is racist after randys1 Dec 2014 #223

Yeah Randy, you so funny! bravenak Dec 2014 #224

yes they post junk about DU steve2470 Dec 2014 #217

Oh, god... bravenak Dec 2014 #219

Dear god no, where is this? Is it hidden already? randys1 Dec 2014 #211

Why would you assume that was sarcasm? Do you think someone posted that ironically Number23 Dec 2014 #213

I meant when I started to read it I thought it was, it was so outlandish, so racist randys1 Dec 2014 #214

They believe it, Randy. They do Number23 Dec 2014 #220

Blaming racial divide in American on Black people is like randys1 Dec 2014 #226

It is hidden. bravenak Dec 2014 #215

Holy crap! gollygee Dec 2014 #222

Umm hmm, proof baby!!! bravenak Dec 2014 #225

OMG bravenek rbrnmw Dec 2014 #227

I was actually mildly surprised at the boldness. bravenak Dec 2014 #228

I am just so sick of the shit rbrnmw Dec 2014 #229

I am just so USED to this shit. bravenak Dec 2014 #230

being use to it doesn't make it any less sickening though rbrnmw Dec 2014 #231

So true. bravenak Dec 2014 #233

I don't think it's nerve. I think it's deperation and fear, knowing their time has passed. arcane1 Dec 2014 #238

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Because you care about DU so much after one day? bravenak Dec 2014 #237

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I'm glad I'm not forced to read DU posts. arcane1 Dec 2014 #240

That goes both ways now don't it? bravenak Dec 2014 #241

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You're oppressing me right now. bravenak Dec 2014 #244

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Did you just call me a nigger? bravenak Dec 2014 #252

I need to step away for an hour or 2 rbrnmw Dec 2014 #259

I know. bravenak Dec 2014 #261

Journal - did you just call me a nigger JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #275

These people are a trip!! bravenak Dec 2014 #276

No - but I will look later JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #279

I noticed that too this summer. bravenak Dec 2014 #280

They don't seem to be too fond of anyone marym625 Dec 2014 #289

Never!! bravenak Dec 2014 #292

totally get that! marym625 Dec 2014 #293

.... bravenak Dec 2014 #294

Well you know I have to marym625 Dec 2014 #295

bravenak, sorry to break in here, off topic Feral Child Dec 2014 #322

Awesome. I never use those words even in private circles. I hate hate and hate words. Elmer S. E. Dump Apr 2015 #328

Me too!! I hate them so much. bravenak Apr 2015 #329

Seems there will always be 2 types of people in this world Elmer S. E. Dump Apr 2015 #330

Yes we do. bravenak Apr 2015 #331

For the first time in history, white men are expected to treat non-whites and women with civility arcane1 Dec 2014 #246

I do not understand the anger at not being special anymore. bravenak Dec 2014 #249

I think it's hard for them to accept being equal to people they thought were inferior to them arcane1 Dec 2014 #254

A great deal of self-loathing is required too. Comfortable people don't act this way. arcane1 Dec 2014 #296

I'm thinking our friend ain't much to look at. bravenak Dec 2014 #298

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Another one!!! bravenak Dec 2014 #284

And they continue to prove my point. arcane1 Dec 2014 #297

Stupidest people in the world. bravenak Dec 2014 #299

There is definitely an undercurrent of sexual insecurity/envy in many of those posts. arcane1 Dec 2014 #300

For suuure. bravenak Dec 2014 #301

It's weird how obsessed they are with the inherent awesomeness of black men. bravenak Dec 2014 #304

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I feel like I have my own TMZ. bravenak Dec 2014 #306

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Lol! bravenak Dec 2014 #308

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I'm taking a nap, so, see you at 3, lol!! bravenak Dec 2014 #310

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who says only whites can be racist? Have you a good what privilege means? "for the sake of du"???? uppityperson Dec 2014 #242

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You poor thang!! bravenak Dec 2014 #247

And to save DU!!!1 arcane1 Dec 2014 #248

Hahahahahaha!!!! bravenak Dec 2014 #250

Another one preserved for posterity. It's acting on me like a purgative... Hekate Dec 2014 #316

So many people actually refuse to believe things could be so bad for other human beings. Dont call me Shirley Dec 2014 #234

side note DonCoquixote Dec 2014 #255

wow, it seems like Stormfront emptied their sewers to troll this thread steve2470 Dec 2014 #258

Indeed, and MIRT is ON FIRE! They're PPR'ed before I even realize they've replied to me arcane1 Dec 2014 #260

yes MIRT rocks!!!! steve2470 Dec 2014 #263

The MIR team did a fantastic job this weekend too! JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #277

maybe more people than you realize are doing that. Jackpine Radical Dec 2014 #262

Unfortunately, the ones that aren't marym625 Dec 2014 #264

That's no doubt true. Jackpine Radical Dec 2014 #287

For me as well marym625 Dec 2014 #288

KICK & REC! Feral Child Dec 2014 #269

Fantastic OP. Thanks for writing it. riqster Dec 2014 #281

Rec before, kicking now... MrScorpio Dec 2014 #282

I do think that the ignorant asses (i.e. trolls of the internet) Bill USA Dec 2014 #312

++ ellenrr Dec 2014 #321

KnR for a better New Year here Hekate Dec 2014 #317