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steve2470

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153. "shut up" = white people need to listen and learn

Sun Dec 28, 2014, 02:46 PM

Dec 2014

THAT'S what Tobin meant. He didn't mean to "shut up" forever and not discuss.

My philosophy is to have a good understanding of a subject matter before opening my mouth. I prefer not to spew ignorance, either in real life or here on DU. By "shutting up", I learn about racism FROM THE VERY PEOPLE WHO ARE EXPERTS AT EXPERIENCING IT.

Ok, you hate the phrase shut up. Substitute listen first and learn about the topic thoroughly. Is that better ? I prefer NOT to be ignorant and learn FIRST.

I, as a white person, do not dare to tell black people what to say or think about racism. If we don't agree, then there is nothing further to discuss. Our approach is fundamentally different.

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I don't know what the hell is wrong with DU right now. [View all] Tobin S. Dec 2014 OP

Black folks here have been the long dead canaries in the DU coal mine ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #1

I think that many of us white folks are shutting up about and really reading the posts of JDPriestly Dec 2014 #7

+1 nt steve2470 Dec 2014 #9

+ another Scuba Dec 2014 #49

+100. Thanks for listening with an open-mind! Nt Anansi1171 Dec 2014 #103

No, I'm on board with you BOTH! cilla4progress Dec 2014 #2

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2014 #75

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2014 #196

Because someone is Black that doesn't upaloopa Dec 2014 #3

Holy shit! Tobin S. Dec 2014 #4

You don't know shit about me. upaloopa Dec 2014 #11

I haven't claimed to know anything about you! Tobin S. Dec 2014 #15

His opinion. Your reaction makes it truth. nt TeamPooka Dec 2014 #22

DingDingding We have a winner! Upaloopa - you just proved the OP's point. Tommymac Dec 2014 #48

No jumping on the couch! marym625 Dec 2014 #119

Sorry Mom. Got a bit carried away. Tommymac Dec 2014 #128

OK then marym625 Dec 2014 #129

Actually, you start to get to know someone with 5,500+ posts. We're getting to know each other. marble falls Dec 2014 #79

Thank you for your OP JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #52

Right.. who knew.. a perfect example would pop up on this thread? Cha Dec 2014 #63

Like this one? JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #66

Precisely, Gen.. it never fails. They cannot help themselves, even in the AA Group. It's all about Cha Dec 2014 #67

You hit it on the nose there, racism is a white and white ONLY problem in america and most white randys1 Dec 2014 #106

+ ellenrr Dec 2014 #84

As you see/will see ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #151

You saw it too eh? JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #170

They may know more about black issues than you do though. bravenak Dec 2014 #6

I warned him brave - no more "shut up" or he will be blocked JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #53

Good. bravenak Dec 2014 #57

You are posting in a group, brer cat Dec 2014 #8

I didn't piss on anyone's thread. upaloopa Dec 2014 #13

Your responses in this thread BainsBane Dec 2014 #16

Your words are right there for everyone to see, you certainly did pee in this thread, & this GROUP. Raine1967 Dec 2014 #39

Let me make this clear: You don't speak for me. and as far as a 'blanket description': Raine1967 Dec 2014 #45

You most certainly did JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #54

Yes you did, for everyone to see. sheshe2 Dec 2014 #71

As opposed to your blanket references to black people, ie: "them"? Your problem is the correct .... marble falls Dec 2014 #81

You just go on and on heaven05 Dec 2014 #121

What does that even mean? notadmblnd Dec 2014 #14

Wow how disrspectful to OP! This is exactly what he was talking about. ncjustice80 Dec 2014 #23

Group Host weighing in JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #50

Just one point this is a specific forum for sanctuary from the general still_one Dec 2014 #158

two kinds of trolls: paid and unpaid steve2470 Dec 2014 #5

Wish I could rec your posting yuiyoshida Dec 2014 #12

the same goes for Asian-American related threads steve2470 Dec 2014 #35

Plus 1000 JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #55

The listening and learning part BainsBane Dec 2014 #17

yep I agree nt steve2470 Dec 2014 #28

seriously BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2014 #36

Many paid trolls all over the internet, and their main job is to get Democrats NOT to vote in 2016 randys1 Dec 2014 #108

I don't believe it for a minute. Agschmid Dec 2014 #163

they call into liberal radio shows ALL the time, they are here too randys1 Dec 2014 #167

Yup and they are called assholes, they aren't paid trolls. Agschmid Dec 2014 #189

Thom Hartmann is the one who asserted it, and I agree. Maybe he would know more randys1 Dec 2014 #202

I'm saying they don't need to pay to do it... Agschmid Dec 2014 #203

I agree but I listen to tons and tons of liberal talk radio and hear the same 7 or 8 voices randys1 Dec 2014 #205

+1000 heaven05 Dec 2014 #124

That's kinda true for many topics jeff47 Dec 2014 #10

WTF!?!? It's raining! marble falls Dec 2014 #82

It's almost as if people going on a political chat want to chat about politics... kioa Dec 2014 #105

I just did a test post on class warfare and got some denials. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2014 #18

Don't worry..... DeSwiss Dec 2014 #19

Shut up and just listen War Horse Dec 2014 #20

Where is the barrage of threads bemoaning black-on-white racism? Doctor_J Dec 2014 #21

What's this about? bravenak Dec 2014 #25

I saw the thread on the Greatest page, clicked on it, and would like to be pointed to some of the Doctor_J Dec 2014 #29

Ok. bravenak Dec 2014 #32

Since you're here BainsBane Dec 2014 #41

No racism here at DU, just white privileged people pretending racism doesnt exist... randys1 Dec 2014 #110

Exactly and they are using pretzel logic to rationalize their position. Debating it, is futile. Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2014 #125

Go back to February 2014 JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #60

Well, the OP seemed to indicate a very recent torrent of busy, blatantly racist threads Doctor_J Dec 2014 #156

What the hell are you talking about? Where is the black on white RACISM that you whining about? Number23 Dec 2014 #174

take a look DonCoquixote Dec 2014 #272

How do you know the Color of a person on DU? Cryptoad Dec 2014 #24

Self identification. bravenak Dec 2014 #27

Self proclamation still has not meaning......you can say you are anything.... Cryptoad Dec 2014 #33

Who pretends to be black for fun and continues while getting trolled everyday by name removed? bravenak Dec 2014 #38

name removed lol rbrnmw Dec 2014 #152

I always imagine this guy. bravenak Dec 2014 #154

LOL rbrnmw Dec 2014 #161

hahahahahaha Cali_Democrat Dec 2014 #268

Don't feed the trolls. They're not worth it. They're like talk radio or shit on a dinner plate. valerief Dec 2014 #232

I agree steve2470 Dec 2014 #236

She's black JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #58

Well, I chose my screen-name for pure sh!ts and giggles ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #155

Me? JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #159

Crypto's not talking about posts in the AA group. And neither was the OP Doctor_J Dec 2014 #34

Because I'm mean? bravenak Dec 2014 #37

A Trusting Soul......... Cryptoad Dec 2014 #40

Are you talking about me? bravenak Dec 2014 #42

You are marym625 Dec 2014 #51

Thank you. bravenak Dec 2014 #56

+ 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! WillyT Dec 2014 #26

a lot of that stuff would have been shut down by mods. mopinko Dec 2014 #30

You bring up a huge problem Fred Friendlier Dec 2014 #31

Wow, way to throw a jab in at atheists, there. F4lconF16 Dec 2014 #78

White ATHEISTS are the problem? WTF randys1 Dec 2014 #111

I don't know about "atheists"; but, they are certainly ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #162

As a white atheist I see no truth in your proclamation that we are the problem justiceischeap Dec 2014 #285

Yea, damned atheists. LiberalAndProud Dec 2014 #311

Ridiculous deflection. Feral Child Dec 2014 #319

Well said. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2014 #43

I am not easily discouraged. :) bravenak Dec 2014 #44

Good. "Don't let the bastards grind you down," as the old saying goes. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2014 #46

I have learned the most by making false assumptions over and over and having randys1 Dec 2014 #113

Melissa Harris Perry offered the following ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #164

We can confront it gwheezie Dec 2014 #47

Can you edit OP? JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #59

Will do. n/t Tobin S. Dec 2014 #86

That will go a long way to stopping nonsense JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #87

seriously do DonCoquixote Dec 2014 #253

"What that basically means for me is shutting up about it and really listening to black people." Cha Dec 2014 #61

I think suggesting that anyone needs to 'shut up' because of race to be condescending at best. kioa Dec 2014 #91

When the one person is trying to have his/her opinion ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #165

Thank you. Cha Dec 2014 #169

The DU LGBT community has gone through this animus on DU and sometimes people justiceischeap Dec 2014 #286

I agree Tobin S. that listening and learning is essential. lovemydog Dec 2014 #62

is this about the d_b Dec 2014 #64

Nope - a pattern of behavior that is rotten to the core JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #65

Mahalo for the links, Gen. Cha Dec 2014 #68

Its the polite racist that are the dangerous ones. I learned about racism at the feet of my..... marble falls Dec 2014 #85

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #166

I lived at W45th and Lorain and 140th and Puritas. In the 1950's and early 60's. Kids have to be.... marble falls Dec 2014 #168

Jesus...i am so sorry you had to experience that. randys1 Dec 2014 #325

That's just it ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #327

since a certain person asked where to find examples DonCoquixote Dec 2014 #271

He trashed the thread JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #273

of course DonCoquixote Dec 2014 #274

I have just read through your links and.... Spazito Dec 2014 #290

I took the time to read thru your links, JAG. Thanks for putting the post together Hekate Dec 2014 #313

I have been staying away from the threads marym625 Dec 2014 #69

I came back to DU to have a look around and I'm just sickened. myrna minx Dec 2014 #70

"shutting up...and really listening to black people". It's really that simple. Mister Ed Dec 2014 #72

they won;t say it DonCoquixote Dec 2014 #73

No, I think more accurately ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #171

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Well Tobin there is a real problem here Kalidurga Dec 2014 #77

swearing isn't allowed here? marym625 Dec 2014 #122

In real life I have been told that I cus bad enough to make a sailor blush Kalidurga Dec 2014 #142

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Dec 2014 #80

Even if there were a lot of posts like that here (which I have not seen) Tobin S. Dec 2014 #89

Words only carry what power we give them. kioa Dec 2014 #95

That's not exactly what I said. Tobin S. Dec 2014 #97

You wrote the OP. If you don't want people to listen to you, you're going about it in an odd manner. kioa Dec 2014 #98

Welcome to being black in America JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #100

Did I do something wrong? If so, say what it is. kioa Dec 2014 #102

You might want to read through the the first pae of posts in this group JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #107

You made an issue specifically with MY comment & by extension with me. kioa Dec 2014 #109

I never told you to shut up JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #112

You engaged me. If you have a problem with anything I have said, please, say so. kioa Dec 2014 #118

This is enough JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #120

Very well. Lets take a step back. kioa Dec 2014 #126

You are not understanding the op. bravenak Dec 2014 #127

At no time have I ever kioa Dec 2014 #130

That's because the op is not about you. bravenak Dec 2014 #132

Because statements addressed to the public.... kioa Dec 2014 #136

Hey, guess what? bravenak Dec 2014 #137

Strange. The OP telling others to "shut up" doesn't address me. kioa Dec 2014 #141

Hey! bravenak Dec 2014 #144

"shutting up" is NOT the point of OP. heaven05 Dec 2014 #143

You are demonstrating your views on race BainsBane Dec 2014 #267

I have zero problem with you JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #131

Your first sentence of your post and the first sentence of your final paragraph directly contradict kioa Dec 2014 #135

Your participation is up for review JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #140

Do you realize gollygee Dec 2014 #180

you are so obviously not listening to what other posters are telling you fishwax Dec 2014 #270

The point is to listen BainsBane Dec 2014 #265

you were never told, specifically, to shut up heaven05 Dec 2014 #139

There is a collection of letters though heaven05 Dec 2014 #138

Those are absolutely descriptions of 300 years of abuse. kioa Dec 2014 #146

well good heaven05 Dec 2014 #147

I think my original statement was fairly bland & self apparent. kioa Dec 2014 #148

your original statement heaven05 Dec 2014 #149

You're right. He didn't tell one person to "shut up". He told many people to "shut up" kioa Dec 2014 #150

"shut up" = white people need to listen and learn steve2470 Dec 2014 #153

I simply made the very simple statement that kioa Dec 2014 #157

what you were doing with this dead-horse beating Kali Dec 2014 #186

I did JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #201

Yeah, you were way to kind to that one... giftedgirl77 Dec 2014 #257

what are you talking about? rbrnmw Dec 2014 #185

I don't agree with your assessment of DU. yes there are racists, ellenrr Dec 2014 #83

It's not just about the recent conflicts with the police Tobin S. Dec 2014 #90

Someone alerted on this thread? JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #93

Yes. I got a PM about it. Tobin S. Dec 2014 #94

well, I'll defer to you, bec. I haven't been a regular poster for very long. I think ellenrr Dec 2014 #96

They haven't been though JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #99

I think it's bad enough to have racist posts anywhere on DU, but there are special ellenrr Dec 2014 #104

I've been a host here for awhile JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #114

Appreciate that. I'm glad to be here. I'll probably read more than write, ellenrr Dec 2014 #115

I agree with his assessment JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #92

The simple truth about this place is there is a large group of rightwingers, who post in certain randys1 Dec 2014 #116

I think if you complain in Ask the Admin JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #117

Funny ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #173

I bet HE was! JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #176

Perhaps ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #177

Well it's not childish if it's true! JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #179

lol rbrnmw Dec 2014 #182

& now that his posting priveleges have been revoked... giftedgirl77 Dec 2014 #318

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #324

that is so not true about you rbrnmw Dec 2014 #181

Thanks ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #184

You have no such history gollygee Dec 2014 #187

Perhaps, but the fabricated B.S. got the hide. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #188

Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #172

It's out there, ellen. Feral Child Dec 2014 #320

WOW!!! bravenak Dec 2014 #323

It was your posts that made me look Feral Child Dec 2014 #326

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There are members of the white community who have taken their privilege for granted. Baitball Blogger Dec 2014 #101

The problem abelenkpe Dec 2014 #123

+1 bravenak Dec 2014 #133

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Great discussion heaven05 Dec 2014 #145

And made it all about those two words JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #160

Thanks, Tobin. Though this will fall on deaf ears like so many other OPs imploring people to get out Number23 Dec 2014 #175

I use to trash the threads and was not going to comment rbrnmw Dec 2014 #183

"White people here do not seem to understand that without the black community the Democratic party Number23 Dec 2014 #178

Agreed ferverently with all you said. And they are shameless and refuse to listen. freshwest Dec 2014 #194

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Well said, Number23! Spazito Dec 2014 #291

Yes yes yes Hekate Dec 2014 #314

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Hopefully you'll be out of here before you get a chance to even see my post Number23 Dec 2014 #191

lol, thanks to that (deleted) poster, who in the last paragraph, ellenrr Dec 2014 #192

Damn. I feel neglected! n/t 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #266

oh you didn't make the list? ellenrr Dec 2014 #278

Where have I seen this before? JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #199

You've read that here at least twice before from other one post wonders. marble falls Dec 2014 #200

I think I know who that is rbrnmw Dec 2014 #204

Thanks for preserving this post. I always want to see the Name Removed posts. kwassa Dec 2014 #208

" I wonder if this is our old friend .... now on vacation." Number23 Dec 2014 #218

There is no jury mechanism to reveal a pattern of abuse .... kwassa Dec 2014 #221

DU will be "saved" by "making it open to more conservative views"?! Hekate Dec 2014 #315

the Carlton Banks thing was such a joke JI7 Dec 2014 #193

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It is getting worse by the hour...Why is this alleged liberal message board dominated randys1 Dec 2014 #206

Did you happen to see this Op posted in AA just a few minutes ago? bravenak Dec 2014 #207

that guy came from Stormfront-lite (Discussionist) or the real Stormfront steve2470 Dec 2014 #209

I think so too. bravenak Dec 2014 #210

You are being attacked by long time members of DU, why shouldnt rightwing racists from randys1 Dec 2014 #212

Name removed is the most prolific poster right now. bravenak Dec 2014 #216

OK, now "name removed" is not one poster, right? "name removed" is racist after randys1 Dec 2014 #223

Yeah Randy, you so funny! bravenak Dec 2014 #224

yes they post junk about DU steve2470 Dec 2014 #217

Oh, god... bravenak Dec 2014 #219

Dear god no, where is this? Is it hidden already? randys1 Dec 2014 #211

Why would you assume that was sarcasm? Do you think someone posted that ironically Number23 Dec 2014 #213

I meant when I started to read it I thought it was, it was so outlandish, so racist randys1 Dec 2014 #214

They believe it, Randy. They do Number23 Dec 2014 #220

Blaming racial divide in American on Black people is like randys1 Dec 2014 #226

It is hidden. bravenak Dec 2014 #215

Holy crap! gollygee Dec 2014 #222

Umm hmm, proof baby!!! bravenak Dec 2014 #225

OMG bravenek rbrnmw Dec 2014 #227

I was actually mildly surprised at the boldness. bravenak Dec 2014 #228

I am just so sick of the shit rbrnmw Dec 2014 #229

I am just so USED to this shit. bravenak Dec 2014 #230

being use to it doesn't make it any less sickening though rbrnmw Dec 2014 #231

So true. bravenak Dec 2014 #233

I don't think it's nerve. I think it's deperation and fear, knowing their time has passed. arcane1 Dec 2014 #238

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Because you care about DU so much after one day? bravenak Dec 2014 #237

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I'm glad I'm not forced to read DU posts. arcane1 Dec 2014 #240

That goes both ways now don't it? bravenak Dec 2014 #241

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You're oppressing me right now. bravenak Dec 2014 #244

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Did you just call me a nigger? bravenak Dec 2014 #252

I need to step away for an hour or 2 rbrnmw Dec 2014 #259

I know. bravenak Dec 2014 #261

Journal - did you just call me a nigger JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #275

These people are a trip!! bravenak Dec 2014 #276

No - but I will look later JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #279

I noticed that too this summer. bravenak Dec 2014 #280

They don't seem to be too fond of anyone marym625 Dec 2014 #289

Never!! bravenak Dec 2014 #292

totally get that! marym625 Dec 2014 #293

.... bravenak Dec 2014 #294

Well you know I have to marym625 Dec 2014 #295

bravenak, sorry to break in here, off topic Feral Child Dec 2014 #322

Awesome. I never use those words even in private circles. I hate hate and hate words. Elmer S. E. Dump Apr 2015 #328

Me too!! I hate them so much. bravenak Apr 2015 #329

Seems there will always be 2 types of people in this world Elmer S. E. Dump Apr 2015 #330

Yes we do. bravenak Apr 2015 #331

For the first time in history, white men are expected to treat non-whites and women with civility arcane1 Dec 2014 #246

I do not understand the anger at not being special anymore. bravenak Dec 2014 #249

I think it's hard for them to accept being equal to people they thought were inferior to them arcane1 Dec 2014 #254

A great deal of self-loathing is required too. Comfortable people don't act this way. arcane1 Dec 2014 #296

I'm thinking our friend ain't much to look at. bravenak Dec 2014 #298

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Another one!!! bravenak Dec 2014 #284

And they continue to prove my point. arcane1 Dec 2014 #297

Stupidest people in the world. bravenak Dec 2014 #299

There is definitely an undercurrent of sexual insecurity/envy in many of those posts. arcane1 Dec 2014 #300

For suuure. bravenak Dec 2014 #301

It's weird how obsessed they are with the inherent awesomeness of black men. bravenak Dec 2014 #304

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I feel like I have my own TMZ. bravenak Dec 2014 #306

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Lol! bravenak Dec 2014 #308

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I'm taking a nap, so, see you at 3, lol!! bravenak Dec 2014 #310

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who says only whites can be racist? Have you a good what privilege means? "for the sake of du"???? uppityperson Dec 2014 #242

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You poor thang!! bravenak Dec 2014 #247

And to save DU!!!1 arcane1 Dec 2014 #248

Hahahahahaha!!!! bravenak Dec 2014 #250

Another one preserved for posterity. It's acting on me like a purgative... Hekate Dec 2014 #316

So many people actually refuse to believe things could be so bad for other human beings. Dont call me Shirley Dec 2014 #234

side note DonCoquixote Dec 2014 #255

wow, it seems like Stormfront emptied their sewers to troll this thread steve2470 Dec 2014 #258

Indeed, and MIRT is ON FIRE! They're PPR'ed before I even realize they've replied to me arcane1 Dec 2014 #260

yes MIRT rocks!!!! steve2470 Dec 2014 #263

The MIR team did a fantastic job this weekend too! JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #277

maybe more people than you realize are doing that. Jackpine Radical Dec 2014 #262

Unfortunately, the ones that aren't marym625 Dec 2014 #264

That's no doubt true. Jackpine Radical Dec 2014 #287

For me as well marym625 Dec 2014 #288

KICK & REC! Feral Child Dec 2014 #269

Fantastic OP. Thanks for writing it. riqster Dec 2014 #281

Rec before, kicking now... MrScorpio Dec 2014 #282

I do think that the ignorant asses (i.e. trolls of the internet) Bill USA Dec 2014 #312

++ ellenrr Dec 2014 #321

KnR for a better New Year here Hekate Dec 2014 #317