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Octafish

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22. If that happens, it's ''Goodnight, Democracy.''
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:12 AM
Mar 2016

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Both Houses of Congress. GOP Check.

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Hey, restorefreedom! What's in YOUR wallet?

The author was a Chicago Boy helping implement the scam for Pinochet:



President Clinton and the Chilean Model.

By José Piñera

Midnight at the House of Good and Evil

"It is 12:30 at night, and Bill Clinton asks me and Dottie: 'What do you know about the Chilean social-security system?'” recounted Richard Lamm, the three-term former governor of Colorado. It was March 1995, and Lamm and his wife were staying that weekend in the Lincoln Bedroom of the White House.

I read about this surprising midnight conversation in an article by Jonathan Alter (Newsweek, May 13, 1996), as I was waiting at Dulles International Airport for a flight to Europe. The article also said that early the next morning, before he left to go jogging, President Bill Clinton arranged for a special report about the Chilean reform produced by his staff to be slipped under Lamm's door.

That news piqued my interest, so as soon as I came back to the United States, I went to visit Richard Lamm. I wanted to know the exact circumstances in which the president of the world’s superpower engages a fellow former governor in a Saturday night exchange about the system I had implemented 15 years earlier.

Lamn and I shared a coffee on the terrace of his house in Denver. He not only was the most genial host to this curious Chilean, but he also proved to be deeply motivated by the issues surrounding aging and the future of America. So we had an engaging conversation. At the conclusion, I ventured to ask him for a copy of the report that Clinton had given him. He agreed to give it to me on the condition that I do not make it public while Clinton was president. He also gave me a copy of the handwritten note on White House stationery, dated 3-21-95, which accompanied the report slipped under his door. It read:

Dick,
Sorry I missed you this morning.
It was great to have you and Dottie here.
Here's the stuff on Chile I mentioned.
Best,
Bill.


Three months before that Clinton-Lamm conversation about the Chilean system, I had a long lunch in Santiago with journalist Joe Klein of Newsweek magazine. A few weeks afterwards, he wrote a compelling article entitled,[font color="green"] "If Chile can do it...couldn´t North America privatize its social-security system?" [/font color]He concluded by stating that "the Chilean system is perhaps the first significant social-policy idea to emanate from the Southern Hemisphere." (Newsweek, December 12, 1994).

I have reasons to think that probably this piece got Clinton’s attention and, given his passion for policy issues, he became a quasi expert on Chile’s Social Security reform. Clinton was familiar with Klein, as the journalist covered the 1992 presidential race and went on anonymously to write the bestseller Primary Colors, a thinly-veiled account of Clinton’s campaign.

“The mother of all reforms”

While studying for a Masters and a Ph.D. in economics at Harvard University, I became enamored with America’s unique experiment in liberty and limited government. In 1835 Alexis de Tocqueville wrote the first volume of Democracy in America hoping that many of the salutary aspects of American society might be exported to his native France. I dreamed with exporting them to my native Chile.

So, upon finishing my Ph.D. in 1974 and while fully enjoying my position as a Teaching Fellow at Harvard University and a professor at Boston University, I took on the most difficult decision in my life: to go back to help my country rebuild its destroyed economy and democracy along the lines of the principles and institutions created in America by the Founding Fathers. Soon after I became Secretary of Labor and Social Security, and in 1980 I was able to create a fully funded system of personal retirement accounts. Historian Niall Ferguson has stated that this reform was “the most profound challenge to the welfare state in a generation. Thatcher and Reagan came later. The backlash against welfare started in Chile.”

But while de Tocqueville’s 1835 treatment contained largely effusive praise of American government, the second volume of Democracy in America, published five years later, strikes a more cautionary tone. He warned that “the American Republic will endure, until politicians realize they can bribe the people with their own money.” In fact at some point during the 20th century, the culture of self reliance and individual responsibility that had made America a great and free nation was diluted by the creation of [font color="green"] “an Entitlement State,”[/font color] reminiscent of the increasingly failed European welfare state. What America needed was a return to basics, to the founding tenets of limited government and personal responsibility.

[font color="green"]In a way, the principles America helped export so successfully to Chile through a group of free market economists needed to be reaffirmed through an emblematic reform. I felt that the Chilean solution to the impending Social Security crisis could be applied in the USA.[/font color]

CONTINUED...

http://www.josepinera.org/articles/articles_clinton_chilean_model.htm



It's like grand tragedy and grand theft America, reading this stuff. Then I cry, too, until I remember where they all are going.



"Yeah. Sign the check over to me, ma. See?"

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Heads they win tails we lose Generic Other Mar 2016 #1
Bernie's side has a response going today... Octafish Mar 2016 #4
Too true! Hillary recently said to name something where she showed Dustlawyer Mar 2016 #67
Unfortunately, because of the "backfire effect" and affirmation, corrections just reinforce the lie drokhole Mar 2016 #115
Exactly, drokhole. Octafish Mar 2016 #116
Yep, a hit and run drokhole Mar 2016 #120
sickening beyond words yourpaljoey Mar 2016 #2
Slander is now statecraft. Octafish Mar 2016 #6
This is how Hillary loses Democrats. senz Mar 2016 #60
Hillary loses the Bernie/Warren wing with this type bs. peacebird Mar 2016 #153
"Tell the whole story!!" PeoViejo Mar 2016 #3
$700 Billion Bailout to the Banksters who STOLE the first $700 Billion Octafish Mar 2016 #9
The Fed filled up the hole in the books with Funny Money PeoViejo Mar 2016 #20
I gotta brag... Octafish Mar 2016 #25
Yup, I remember navarth Mar 2016 #47
I thank you, your research/memory is greatly appreciated. Vilis Veritas Mar 2016 #51
I'm not sure if it was you at the time... Oilwellian Mar 2016 #104
Octafish 90-percent Mar 2016 #106
We also heeded the warnings, bvar22 Mar 2016 #150
You are most welcome, Oilwellian. The credit goes to DUers... Octafish Mar 2016 #158
Thanks for your work on this, Octa pberq Mar 2016 #117
the entire story is simple Demsrule86 Mar 2016 #133
Hope Bernie's ad runs long and wide to counter her lying arse. nt nc4bo Mar 2016 #5
TRANSCRIPT... Octafish Mar 2016 #11
Thank you. Hope it helps get the truth out there. senz Mar 2016 #99
I have not hear the add Demsrule86 Mar 2016 #134
It's called a competitive nomination. randome Mar 2016 #7
When you LIBEL someone, you smear a person's reputation. Octafish Mar 2016 #10
HRC and her supporters have no scruples what-so-ever notadmblnd Mar 2016 #55
Right... having your record lied about right before a primary is "just politics" whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #13
Thin-skinned? Does she have to lie? What else is she lying about? Punkingal Mar 2016 #14
At this point, what isn't she lying about?? freebrew Mar 2016 #76
It's called lying her ass off about a truly progressive Senator. gcomeau Mar 2016 #52
No, it's called defamation. It's also illegal. "Thin skin" doesnt even enter the equation. Bubzer Mar 2016 #63
Funny how the Sanders campaign hasn't resorted to disinformation and deception. nt Coincidence Mar 2016 #101
right, except Bernie must be 'nice' to Clinton beedle Mar 2016 #122
There is hyperbole and unwarranted accusations on both sides. randome Mar 2016 #127
Tu quoque fallacy. longship Mar 2016 #143
^THIS^ bvar22 Mar 2016 #152
The "Let Me Talk" controversy was just more Clinton bull shit. Motown_Johnny Mar 2016 #168
when a candidate is so weak on their own issues restorefreedom Mar 2016 #8
Demonstrates a shocking lack of vision. Octafish Mar 2016 #15
and clearly they want to lose the ge restorefreedom Mar 2016 #17
If that happens, it's ''Goodnight, Democracy.'' Octafish Mar 2016 #22
tptb are ok with all of that restorefreedom Mar 2016 #130
She is being pushed by the MSM because she WILL lose in the GE. vintx Mar 2016 #27
Or if not a GOP win, she would be their next best option. nt Snotcicles Mar 2016 #54
they were fine with "hillary or gop" restorefreedom Mar 2016 #132
He did vote against the final bill Demsrule86 Mar 2016 #12
Ford Motor Company didn't take a dime from Uncle Sam. Octafish Mar 2016 #16
I am very familiar with autos Demsrule86 Mar 2016 #24
Ford took a government loan? Octafish Mar 2016 #28
Ford Motor Co. does u-turn on bailouts. Historic NY Mar 2016 #49
From your link: Octafish Mar 2016 #58
Go on read the rest.....................they took 5.9 billion. Historic NY Mar 2016 #62
Not really. Mulally got shown the door for borrowing $5.9 billion AFTER the bailout package. Octafish Mar 2016 #69
Funny how for a company that didn't borrow still owes money.... Historic NY Mar 2016 #93
That reminds me of what TARP's Inspector General said. Octafish Mar 2016 #98
After Big Bankers, Corporation ruined by NAFTA were next to be forced to take the money. DhhD Mar 2016 #111
Perhaps I was not clear Demsrule86 Mar 2016 #129
We all know this issue is way more complicated than Hillary is letting on gollygee Mar 2016 #18
Great OP, gollygee! Bernie reminds me more and more of JFK. Octafish Mar 2016 #31
In one of the earliest debates... CdnExtraNational Mar 2016 #61
This message was self-deleted by its author BlueIdaho Mar 2016 #72
In 1974 Call to Abolish CIA, Sanders Followed in Footsteps of JFK, Truman Octafish Mar 2016 #155
Golly, we all know this issue is way more complicated than Bernie is letting on. nt Nitram Mar 2016 #75
"Today the auto industry is thriving and millions of people have jobs who could have lost them... awake Mar 2016 #19
'Jobs that have been moved out of Michigan' Exactly! nt Live and Learn Mar 2016 #30
Former Michigan Gov. John Engler ''served'' as head of the National Association of Manufacturers. Octafish Mar 2016 #123
I won't vote for a liar NowSam Mar 2016 #21
That's how I felt in 1992. Octafish Mar 2016 #70
Par for the course for Hill the Shill. vintx Mar 2016 #23
Seriously Demsrule86 Mar 2016 #26
Brock? The guy who said ''I kill liberals for living''? Octafish Mar 2016 #35
She's not a liberal nor a progressive. vintx Mar 2016 #36
I scream "but SCOTUS!" in support of Bernie. senz Mar 2016 #50
Legislation is frequently packaged to twist the arms of legislators HereSince1628 Mar 2016 #29
Michigan used to have one of the best public school systems in the country. Octafish Mar 2016 #33
I'm not sure knowledge of that is only to be acquired in formal education HereSince1628 Mar 2016 #39
A largely corrupt news media put the people of Michigan even more at a disadvantage. Octafish Mar 2016 #89
It's such a shame the teevees don't work good up there in Mishugun kcr Mar 2016 #154
I remember that too. navarth Mar 2016 #73
Fact is, we are in a better position now because of the bailout. We might hate the banks, but at Hoyt Mar 2016 #32
If you mean ''We'' as in 0.1-percent, not ''We the People.'' Octafish Mar 2016 #124
No a financial melt down would have left everyone screwed, just that some folks are too obtuse Hoyt Mar 2016 #125
Millions got tossed from their homes to foam the runway for the banks. Octafish Mar 2016 #128
Having a hard time understanding, are you saying homeowners should have been evicted immediately. Hoyt Mar 2016 #137
No. MILLIONS of Homeowners were sacrificed for the crooked Banks and Banksters. Octafish Mar 2016 #140
So, rather than forstalling foreclosure, would you have been happier if they were forced out of Hoyt Mar 2016 #142
Bernie voted against the final bill redstateblues Mar 2016 #34
Not quite. Octafish Mar 2016 #126
He did not vote for the version that passed. n/t Lucinda Mar 2016 #141
This is what being "inflexible" gets you. NurseJackie Mar 2016 #37
To the unprincipled, all ethics look "inflexible." senz Mar 2016 #40
+1 BeanMusical Mar 2016 #44
The same is true of totalitarian dictators. Nitram Mar 2016 #78
Oh is that why Hillary is all "rah rah" for trade agreements? senz Mar 2016 #94
On the contrary, Senz, I know that Hillary Clinton has always deeply cared about... Nitram Mar 2016 #97
NAFTA? TPP? Wall Steet? "Welfare Reform?" senz Mar 2016 #105
+1000 stonecutter357 Mar 2016 #41
Damn Ghandi and his inflexibility... Helen Borg Mar 2016 #43
Question Thespian2 Mar 2016 #38
Brown Brothers Harriman Octafish Mar 2016 #121
Thanks... Thespian2 Mar 2016 #138
That's the only way Hillary can win - by lying. Jarqui Mar 2016 #42
Stop the smears. Bernie voted against the bill that bailed out redstateblues Mar 2016 #45
It's not a smear. A smear is a false accusation. Jarqui Mar 2016 #113
Logical, valid conclusion, Jarqui. senz Mar 2016 #57
Problem is Robbins Mar 2016 #96
Politics is ugly. This is flat out deceptive! EndElectoral Mar 2016 #46
Hillary was merely pointing out Sanders' reality vs. idealism problem. Trust Buster Mar 2016 #48
This is inaccurate EndElectoral Mar 2016 #81
You ignore the fact that, without TARP, credit would have remained frozen. Trust Buster Mar 2016 #114
It was the correct vote. Coincidence Mar 2016 #108
and she is hoping folks won't remember this and join her ranks in the Fall? Really? tomm2thumbs Mar 2016 #53
Exactly. She's cooking her own goose senz Mar 2016 #74
Not a lot of difference Old Codger Mar 2016 #56
I get tired of hearing Hillary supporters compare Hillary being called out on her lies to liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #59
They don't appear to know the difference between truth and falsehood. senz Mar 2016 #66
Bernie certainly sets the bar very high. It's not often you see a politician with his integrity. liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #68
Her trustworthy numbers are so poor amongst Democrats! CdnExtraNational Mar 2016 #64
Integrity does not have a middle ground. Octafish Mar 2016 #151
Bill passed NAFTA and deregulation of banking Geronimoe Mar 2016 #65
Karl Rove would be proud. CdnExtraNational Mar 2016 #71
The worst of this is that she doesn't need to do it, she will win flamingdem Mar 2016 #77
What I find most appalling is CNN ran with it and didn't even fact check it. bobbobbins01 Mar 2016 #79
My vote is for Sanders, but Hillary's statement isn't a lie. nt. bhikkhu Mar 2016 #80
It's just a half truth right? So much better. liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #82
Afraid it is. EndElectoral Mar 2016 #83
Nevertheless, Hillary voted "yes" on the bill that saved the auto industry bhikkhu Mar 2016 #157
Did she vote for the stand alone Auto Bailout bill? Waiting For Everyman Mar 2016 #84
This message was self-deleted by its author ljm2002 Mar 2016 #107
The lickspittle defense of Hillary just amazes me. PeoViejo Mar 2016 #85
Just like Downton Abbey, except there are no chauffeurs marrying into the family. Octafish Mar 2016 #139
It was NOT a big lie. Bernie did not vote for TARP. Jitter65 Mar 2016 #86
That is her biggest lie yet. God help us. Please Michigan do jwirr Mar 2016 #87
The great DUer Peregrine Took called it the Willie Horton ad of 2016 Octafish Mar 2016 #95
Fortunately we seem to have a group of millennials that are jwirr Mar 2016 #112
Remember what a pathological liar Bush was? Zorra Mar 2016 #88
She was correct, and it's been all over how she was correct. George II Mar 2016 #90
If any of that was true, why the need to smear him across Michigan the day before the Primary? Octafish Mar 2016 #144
What "smear"? George II Mar 2016 #146
Hillary's Big Lie about Bernie: ''Came Through'' in Michigan Octafish Mar 2016 #147
A Sanders radio ad is a Clinton smear of him? George II Mar 2016 #148
No. Hillary misrepresented what he said. Octafish Mar 2016 #149
Her Iraq vote SHRED Mar 2016 #164
Why should we expect more from a corrupt liar? demwing Mar 2016 #91
disgusting & vile; only consolation is realization she will never get elected in the GE amborin Mar 2016 #92
That's a Clinton for ya... SoapBox Mar 2016 #100
So very convincing... dchill Mar 2016 #102
They sell out better than anybody, don't they? MrMickeysMom Mar 2016 #103
It's all good. They can correct the record tomorrow. 6chars Mar 2016 #109
Thank you for this thread, Octafish. seafan Mar 2016 #110
You are most welcome, my Friend. Octafish Mar 2016 #159
Bernie asuhornets Mar 2016 #118
Bernie Sanders demanded an AUDIT of the TARP... Octafish Mar 2016 #119
Clinton accused him of opposing the auto bailout (LIAR); he voted for it in a stand-alone bill AtomicKitten Mar 2016 #131
That is not correct. Demsrule86 Mar 2016 #135
It is absolutely correct, the whole truth & not a twisted version for political gain. AtomicKitten Mar 2016 #136
K and R FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #145
Kickin' & a Recken' 2banon Mar 2016 #156
Clinton proved she is a typical slimeball politician, very much like a republican. tabasco Mar 2016 #160
Yeah...Flint is doing real well SHRED Mar 2016 #161
The Clinton's NAFTA nuked Michigan SHRED Mar 2016 #162
Gonna backfire in Ohio. Motown_Johnny Mar 2016 #163
"Plenty of time to beat her over the head with it before then." SMC22307 Mar 2016 #165
NAFTA & TPP Octafish Mar 2016 #167
Poetic justice. pablo_marmol Mar 2016 #166
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