2016 Postmortem

Historic NY

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93. Funny how for a company that didn't borrow still owes money....

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:58 AM

Mar 2016

Ford Motor owes the government $5.9 billion it borrowed in June 2009, the same month GM filed for bankruptcy. By Sept. 15, Ford needs to start paying that money back. In a government filing, the carmaker said $577 million is due within the next year, and the full amount must be paid off by June 15, 2022.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/joannmuller/2012/08/29/automakers-report-card-who-still-owes-taxpayers-money-the-answer-might-surprise-you/#15abfa596a8c

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Hillary's Big Lie about Bernie: ''Came Through'' in Michigan [View all] Octafish Mar 2016 OP

Heads they win tails we lose Generic Other Mar 2016 #1

Bernie's side has a response going today... Octafish Mar 2016 #4

Too true! Hillary recently said to name something where she showed Dustlawyer Mar 2016 #67

Unfortunately, because of the "backfire effect" and affirmation, corrections just reinforce the lie drokhole Mar 2016 #115

Exactly, drokhole. Octafish Mar 2016 #116

Yep, a hit and run drokhole Mar 2016 #120

sickening beyond words yourpaljoey Mar 2016 #2

Slander is now statecraft. Octafish Mar 2016 #6

This is how Hillary loses Democrats. senz Mar 2016 #60

Hillary loses the Bernie/Warren wing with this type bs. peacebird Mar 2016 #153

"Tell the whole story!!" PeoViejo Mar 2016 #3

$700 Billion Bailout to the Banksters who STOLE the first $700 Billion Octafish Mar 2016 #9

The Fed filled up the hole in the books with Funny Money PeoViejo Mar 2016 #20

I gotta brag... Octafish Mar 2016 #25

Yup, I remember navarth Mar 2016 #47

I thank you, your research/memory is greatly appreciated. Vilis Veritas Mar 2016 #51

I'm not sure if it was you at the time... Oilwellian Mar 2016 #104

Octafish 90-percent Mar 2016 #106

We also heeded the warnings, bvar22 Mar 2016 #150

You are most welcome, Oilwellian. The credit goes to DUers... Octafish Mar 2016 #158

Thanks for your work on this, Octa pberq Mar 2016 #117

the entire story is simple Demsrule86 Mar 2016 #133

Hope Bernie's ad runs long and wide to counter her lying arse. nt nc4bo Mar 2016 #5

TRANSCRIPT... Octafish Mar 2016 #11

Thank you. Hope it helps get the truth out there. senz Mar 2016 #99

I have not hear the add Demsrule86 Mar 2016 #134

It's called a competitive nomination. randome Mar 2016 #7

When you LIBEL someone, you smear a person's reputation. Octafish Mar 2016 #10

HRC and her supporters have no scruples what-so-ever notadmblnd Mar 2016 #55

Right... having your record lied about right before a primary is "just politics" whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #13

Thin-skinned? Does she have to lie? What else is she lying about? Punkingal Mar 2016 #14

At this point, what isn't she lying about?? freebrew Mar 2016 #76

It's called lying her ass off about a truly progressive Senator. gcomeau Mar 2016 #52

No, it's called defamation. It's also illegal. "Thin skin" doesnt even enter the equation. Bubzer Mar 2016 #63

Funny how the Sanders campaign hasn't resorted to disinformation and deception. nt Coincidence Mar 2016 #101

right, except Bernie must be 'nice' to Clinton beedle Mar 2016 #122

There is hyperbole and unwarranted accusations on both sides. randome Mar 2016 #127

Tu quoque fallacy. longship Mar 2016 #143

^THIS^ bvar22 Mar 2016 #152

The "Let Me Talk" controversy was just more Clinton bull shit. Motown_Johnny Mar 2016 #168

when a candidate is so weak on their own issues restorefreedom Mar 2016 #8

Demonstrates a shocking lack of vision. Octafish Mar 2016 #15

and clearly they want to lose the ge restorefreedom Mar 2016 #17

If that happens, it's ''Goodnight, Democracy.'' Octafish Mar 2016 #22

tptb are ok with all of that restorefreedom Mar 2016 #130

She is being pushed by the MSM because she WILL lose in the GE. vintx Mar 2016 #27

Or if not a GOP win, she would be their next best option. nt Snotcicles Mar 2016 #54

they were fine with "hillary or gop" restorefreedom Mar 2016 #132

He did vote against the final bill Demsrule86 Mar 2016 #12

Ford Motor Company didn't take a dime from Uncle Sam. Octafish Mar 2016 #16

I am very familiar with autos Demsrule86 Mar 2016 #24

Ford took a government loan? Octafish Mar 2016 #28

Ford Motor Co. does u-turn on bailouts. Historic NY Mar 2016 #49

From your link: Octafish Mar 2016 #58

Go on read the rest.....................they took 5.9 billion. Historic NY Mar 2016 #62

Not really. Mulally got shown the door for borrowing $5.9 billion AFTER the bailout package. Octafish Mar 2016 #69

Funny how for a company that didn't borrow still owes money.... Historic NY Mar 2016 #93

That reminds me of what TARP's Inspector General said. Octafish Mar 2016 #98

After Big Bankers, Corporation ruined by NAFTA were next to be forced to take the money. DhhD Mar 2016 #111

Perhaps I was not clear Demsrule86 Mar 2016 #129

We all know this issue is way more complicated than Hillary is letting on gollygee Mar 2016 #18

Great OP, gollygee! Bernie reminds me more and more of JFK. Octafish Mar 2016 #31

In one of the earliest debates... CdnExtraNational Mar 2016 #61

This message was self-deleted by its author BlueIdaho Mar 2016 #72

In 1974 Call to Abolish CIA, Sanders Followed in Footsteps of JFK, Truman Octafish Mar 2016 #155

Golly, we all know this issue is way more complicated than Bernie is letting on. nt Nitram Mar 2016 #75

"Today the auto industry is thriving and millions of people have jobs who could have lost them... awake Mar 2016 #19

'Jobs that have been moved out of Michigan' Exactly! nt Live and Learn Mar 2016 #30

Former Michigan Gov. John Engler ''served'' as head of the National Association of Manufacturers. Octafish Mar 2016 #123

I won't vote for a liar NowSam Mar 2016 #21

That's how I felt in 1992. Octafish Mar 2016 #70

Par for the course for Hill the Shill. vintx Mar 2016 #23

Seriously Demsrule86 Mar 2016 #26

Brock? The guy who said ''I kill liberals for living''? Octafish Mar 2016 #35

She's not a liberal nor a progressive. vintx Mar 2016 #36

I scream "but SCOTUS!" in support of Bernie. senz Mar 2016 #50

Legislation is frequently packaged to twist the arms of legislators HereSince1628 Mar 2016 #29

Michigan used to have one of the best public school systems in the country. Octafish Mar 2016 #33

I'm not sure knowledge of that is only to be acquired in formal education HereSince1628 Mar 2016 #39

A largely corrupt news media put the people of Michigan even more at a disadvantage. Octafish Mar 2016 #89

It's such a shame the teevees don't work good up there in Mishugun kcr Mar 2016 #154

I remember that too. navarth Mar 2016 #73

Fact is, we are in a better position now because of the bailout. We might hate the banks, but at Hoyt Mar 2016 #32

If you mean ''We'' as in 0.1-percent, not ''We the People.'' Octafish Mar 2016 #124

No a financial melt down would have left everyone screwed, just that some folks are too obtuse Hoyt Mar 2016 #125

Millions got tossed from their homes to foam the runway for the banks. Octafish Mar 2016 #128

Having a hard time understanding, are you saying homeowners should have been evicted immediately. Hoyt Mar 2016 #137

No. MILLIONS of Homeowners were sacrificed for the crooked Banks and Banksters. Octafish Mar 2016 #140

So, rather than forstalling foreclosure, would you have been happier if they were forced out of Hoyt Mar 2016 #142

Bernie voted against the final bill redstateblues Mar 2016 #34

Not quite. Octafish Mar 2016 #126

He did not vote for the version that passed. n/t Lucinda Mar 2016 #141

This is what being "inflexible" gets you. NurseJackie Mar 2016 #37

To the unprincipled, all ethics look "inflexible." senz Mar 2016 #40

+1 BeanMusical Mar 2016 #44

The same is true of totalitarian dictators. Nitram Mar 2016 #78

Oh is that why Hillary is all "rah rah" for trade agreements? senz Mar 2016 #94

On the contrary, Senz, I know that Hillary Clinton has always deeply cared about... Nitram Mar 2016 #97

NAFTA? TPP? Wall Steet? "Welfare Reform?" senz Mar 2016 #105

+1000 stonecutter357 Mar 2016 #41

Damn Ghandi and his inflexibility... Helen Borg Mar 2016 #43

Question Thespian2 Mar 2016 #38

Brown Brothers Harriman Octafish Mar 2016 #121

Thanks... Thespian2 Mar 2016 #138

That's the only way Hillary can win - by lying. Jarqui Mar 2016 #42

Stop the smears. Bernie voted against the bill that bailed out redstateblues Mar 2016 #45

It's not a smear. A smear is a false accusation. Jarqui Mar 2016 #113

Logical, valid conclusion, Jarqui. senz Mar 2016 #57

Problem is Robbins Mar 2016 #96

Politics is ugly. This is flat out deceptive! EndElectoral Mar 2016 #46

Hillary was merely pointing out Sanders' reality vs. idealism problem. Trust Buster Mar 2016 #48

This is inaccurate EndElectoral Mar 2016 #81

You ignore the fact that, without TARP, credit would have remained frozen. Trust Buster Mar 2016 #114

It was the correct vote. Coincidence Mar 2016 #108

and she is hoping folks won't remember this and join her ranks in the Fall? Really? tomm2thumbs Mar 2016 #53

Exactly. She's cooking her own goose senz Mar 2016 #74

Not a lot of difference Old Codger Mar 2016 #56

I get tired of hearing Hillary supporters compare Hillary being called out on her lies to liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #59

They don't appear to know the difference between truth and falsehood. senz Mar 2016 #66

Bernie certainly sets the bar very high. It's not often you see a politician with his integrity. liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #68

Her trustworthy numbers are so poor amongst Democrats! CdnExtraNational Mar 2016 #64

Integrity does not have a middle ground. Octafish Mar 2016 #151

Bill passed NAFTA and deregulation of banking Geronimoe Mar 2016 #65

Karl Rove would be proud. CdnExtraNational Mar 2016 #71

The worst of this is that she doesn't need to do it, she will win flamingdem Mar 2016 #77

What I find most appalling is CNN ran with it and didn't even fact check it. bobbobbins01 Mar 2016 #79

My vote is for Sanders, but Hillary's statement isn't a lie. nt. bhikkhu Mar 2016 #80

It's just a half truth right? So much better. liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #82

Afraid it is. EndElectoral Mar 2016 #83

Nevertheless, Hillary voted "yes" on the bill that saved the auto industry bhikkhu Mar 2016 #157

Did she vote for the stand alone Auto Bailout bill? Waiting For Everyman Mar 2016 #84

This message was self-deleted by its author ljm2002 Mar 2016 #107

The lickspittle defense of Hillary just amazes me. PeoViejo Mar 2016 #85

Just like Downton Abbey, except there are no chauffeurs marrying into the family. Octafish Mar 2016 #139

It was NOT a big lie. Bernie did not vote for TARP. Jitter65 Mar 2016 #86

That is her biggest lie yet. God help us. Please Michigan do jwirr Mar 2016 #87

The great DUer Peregrine Took called it the Willie Horton ad of 2016 Octafish Mar 2016 #95

Fortunately we seem to have a group of millennials that are jwirr Mar 2016 #112

Remember what a pathological liar Bush was? Zorra Mar 2016 #88

She was correct, and it's been all over how she was correct. George II Mar 2016 #90

If any of that was true, why the need to smear him across Michigan the day before the Primary? Octafish Mar 2016 #144

What "smear"? George II Mar 2016 #146

Hillary's Big Lie about Bernie: ''Came Through'' in Michigan Octafish Mar 2016 #147

A Sanders radio ad is a Clinton smear of him? George II Mar 2016 #148

No. Hillary misrepresented what he said. Octafish Mar 2016 #149

Her Iraq vote SHRED Mar 2016 #164

Why should we expect more from a corrupt liar? demwing Mar 2016 #91

disgusting & vile; only consolation is realization she will never get elected in the GE amborin Mar 2016 #92

That's a Clinton for ya... SoapBox Mar 2016 #100

So very convincing... dchill Mar 2016 #102

They sell out better than anybody, don't they? MrMickeysMom Mar 2016 #103

It's all good. They can correct the record tomorrow. 6chars Mar 2016 #109

Thank you for this thread, Octafish. seafan Mar 2016 #110

You are most welcome, my Friend. Octafish Mar 2016 #159

Bernie asuhornets Mar 2016 #118

Bernie Sanders demanded an AUDIT of the TARP... Octafish Mar 2016 #119

Clinton accused him of opposing the auto bailout (LIAR); he voted for it in a stand-alone bill AtomicKitten Mar 2016 #131

That is not correct. Demsrule86 Mar 2016 #135

It is absolutely correct, the whole truth & not a twisted version for political gain. AtomicKitten Mar 2016 #136

K and R FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #145

Kickin' & a Recken' 2banon Mar 2016 #156

Clinton proved she is a typical slimeball politician, very much like a republican. tabasco Mar 2016 #160

Yeah...Flint is doing real well SHRED Mar 2016 #161

The Clinton's NAFTA nuked Michigan SHRED Mar 2016 #162

Gonna backfire in Ohio. Motown_Johnny Mar 2016 #163

"Plenty of time to beat her over the head with it before then." SMC22307 Mar 2016 #165

NAFTA & TPP Octafish Mar 2016 #167

Poetic justice. pablo_marmol Mar 2016 #166