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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Hillary's Big Lie about Bernie: ''Came Through'' in Michigan [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)121. Brown Brothers Harriman
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The British grande dame and young Bill: Pamela Harriman, love, money and clout
Camelot it ain't. Still, whatever will those who want to model the Labour Party on Bill Clinton's Democrats make of it? When, next week, the Democrats resume possession of the White House, the hero of the hour will be the barefoot boy from the second-poorest state. But one of the heroines of the new administraton will be Pamela Digby Churchill Hayward Harriman, the last word in grandes dames, a woman whose mien and experience make crowned heads look provincial.
The Independent, Friday 15 January 1993
EXCERPT...
By the Seventies, Averell Harriman was in his eighties, deaf and at long last in uncertain health; until his seventies he still went skiing. He was known in Washington as the Crocodile because of his sharp tongue. But he had all the prestige of one of the richest men in America who was also an authentic elder statesman: he had been Roosevelt's personal envoy to Stalin as well as Churchill, Governor of New York and an adviser to Presidents Truman, Kennedy and Johnson.
The marriage was very successful. Pamela threw herself into making Averell's life comfortable, and made beautiful homes for him in Barbados, in the Virginia hunt country and in Georgetown. She also made herself the Washington hostess with the mostest. When he died in 1986, she inherited an estimated dollars 75m ( pounds 50m), not counting the paintings.
Glamorous she is beyond measure. But is she important? 'No,' said one Georgetown authority, 'but she does have influence.' 'No,' said another, 'but she does have a certain glamour, and she did back Clinton early.' She is what the American Boy Scouts call a den-mother to the Democrats, said a third. There are a lot of rich people in Hollywood and New York who give money to the Democrats. She has a knack of receiving their money in such a way that they feel their giving has been ennobled.
Her politics are a little confusing, if not confused. She says she is both a Tory and a Democrat. 'For me,' she once said, 'the Tory party and the Democratic Party were very much alike. You took care of people, and you were compassionate. There was never any doubt in my mind that I would be a Democrat.' On the same theme, on another occasion: [font color="green"]'People don't understand there's a big difference between being a socialist in England and a Democrat here.'[/font color]
SOURCE: http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/profile-the-british-grande-dame-and-young-bill-pamela-harriman-love-money-and-clout-1478783.html
The British grande dame and young Bill: Pamela Harriman, love, money and clout
Camelot it ain't. Still, whatever will those who want to model the Labour Party on Bill Clinton's Democrats make of it? When, next week, the Democrats resume possession of the White House, the hero of the hour will be the barefoot boy from the second-poorest state. But one of the heroines of the new administraton will be Pamela Digby Churchill Hayward Harriman, the last word in grandes dames, a woman whose mien and experience make crowned heads look provincial.
The Independent, Friday 15 January 1993
EXCERPT...
By the Seventies, Averell Harriman was in his eighties, deaf and at long last in uncertain health; until his seventies he still went skiing. He was known in Washington as the Crocodile because of his sharp tongue. But he had all the prestige of one of the richest men in America who was also an authentic elder statesman: he had been Roosevelt's personal envoy to Stalin as well as Churchill, Governor of New York and an adviser to Presidents Truman, Kennedy and Johnson.
The marriage was very successful. Pamela threw herself into making Averell's life comfortable, and made beautiful homes for him in Barbados, in the Virginia hunt country and in Georgetown. She also made herself the Washington hostess with the mostest. When he died in 1986, she inherited an estimated dollars 75m ( pounds 50m), not counting the paintings.
Glamorous she is beyond measure. But is she important? 'No,' said one Georgetown authority, 'but she does have influence.' 'No,' said another, 'but she does have a certain glamour, and she did back Clinton early.' She is what the American Boy Scouts call a den-mother to the Democrats, said a third. There are a lot of rich people in Hollywood and New York who give money to the Democrats. She has a knack of receiving their money in such a way that they feel their giving has been ennobled.
Her politics are a little confusing, if not confused. She says she is both a Tory and a Democrat. 'For me,' she once said, 'the Tory party and the Democratic Party were very much alike. You took care of people, and you were compassionate. There was never any doubt in my mind that I would be a Democrat.' On the same theme, on another occasion: [font color="green"]'People don't understand there's a big difference between being a socialist in England and a Democrat here.'[/font color]
SOURCE: http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/profile-the-british-grande-dame-and-young-bill-pamela-harriman-love-money-and-clout-1478783.html
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Unfortunately, because of the "backfire effect" and affirmation, corrections just reinforce the lie
drokhole
Mar 2016
#115
Right... having your record lied about right before a primary is "just politics"
whatchamacallit
Mar 2016
#13
No, it's called defamation. It's also illegal. "Thin skin" doesnt even enter the equation.
Bubzer
Mar 2016
#63
Funny how the Sanders campaign hasn't resorted to disinformation and deception. nt
Coincidence
Mar 2016
#101
Not really. Mulally got shown the door for borrowing $5.9 billion AFTER the bailout package.
Octafish
Mar 2016
#69
After Big Bankers, Corporation ruined by NAFTA were next to be forced to take the money.
DhhD
Mar 2016
#111
Golly, we all know this issue is way more complicated than Bernie is letting on. nt
Nitram
Mar 2016
#75
"Today the auto industry is thriving and millions of people have jobs who could have lost them...
awake
Mar 2016
#19
Former Michigan Gov. John Engler ''served'' as head of the National Association of Manufacturers.
Octafish
Mar 2016
#123
I'm not sure knowledge of that is only to be acquired in formal education
HereSince1628
Mar 2016
#39
A largely corrupt news media put the people of Michigan even more at a disadvantage.
Octafish
Mar 2016
#89
Fact is, we are in a better position now because of the bailout. We might hate the banks, but at
Hoyt
Mar 2016
#32
No a financial melt down would have left everyone screwed, just that some folks are too obtuse
Hoyt
Mar 2016
#125
Having a hard time understanding, are you saying homeowners should have been evicted immediately.
Hoyt
Mar 2016
#137
No. MILLIONS of Homeowners were sacrificed for the crooked Banks and Banksters.
Octafish
Mar 2016
#140
So, rather than forstalling foreclosure, would you have been happier if they were forced out of
Hoyt
Mar 2016
#142
On the contrary, Senz, I know that Hillary Clinton has always deeply cared about...
Nitram
Mar 2016
#97
You ignore the fact that, without TARP, credit would have remained frozen.
Trust Buster
Mar 2016
#114
and she is hoping folks won't remember this and join her ranks in the Fall? Really?
tomm2thumbs
Mar 2016
#53
I get tired of hearing Hillary supporters compare Hillary being called out on her lies to
liberal_at_heart
Mar 2016
#59
Bernie certainly sets the bar very high. It's not often you see a politician with his integrity.
liberal_at_heart
Mar 2016
#68
What I find most appalling is CNN ran with it and didn't even fact check it.
bobbobbins01
Mar 2016
#79
Just like Downton Abbey, except there are no chauffeurs marrying into the family.
Octafish
Mar 2016
#139
If any of that was true, why the need to smear him across Michigan the day before the Primary?
Octafish
Mar 2016
#144
disgusting & vile; only consolation is realization she will never get elected in the GE
amborin
Mar 2016
#92
Clinton accused him of opposing the auto bailout (LIAR); he voted for it in a stand-alone bill
AtomicKitten
Mar 2016
#131
It is absolutely correct, the whole truth & not a twisted version for political gain.
AtomicKitten
Mar 2016
#136
Clinton proved she is a typical slimeball politician, very much like a republican.
tabasco
Mar 2016
#160