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In reply to the discussion: Hillary's Big Lie about Bernie: ''Came Through'' in Michigan [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)155. In 1974 Call to Abolish CIA, Sanders Followed in Footsteps of JFK, Truman
"Glorious Victory" by Diego Rivera

When secret government agencies and secret government agents act to benefit secret agendas and secret groups and secret individuals, it isn't democracy.
Thanks, CdnExtraNational. I, too, am happy to see that Bernie agrees with JFK on civilian control of armed forces and secret agencies. There are a lot more signs, just have got to be willing to see them.

In 1974 Call to Abolish CIA, Sanders Followed in Footsteps of JFK, Truman
by Jon Schwarz
The Intercept, Feb. 22 2016
According to an article in Politico, Bernie Sanders, during his 1974 campaign for the Senate on Vermonts Liberty Union Party ticket, called the Central Intelligence Agency a dangerous institution that has got to go. Sanders complained that the CIA was only accountable to right-wing lunatics who use it to prop up fascist dictatorships.
Jeremy Bash, a former CIA chief of staff who is now an adviser to Hillary Clintons campaign, told reporter Michael Crowley that Sanderss comment reinforces the conclusion that hes not qualified to be commander in chief. Bash explained: Abolishing the CIA in the 1970s would have unilaterally disarmed America during the height of the Cold War and at a time when terrorist networks across the Middle East were gaining strength. Bash was chief of staff for Leon Panetta at both the CIA and Defense Department, and now runs a consulting firm called Beacon Global Strategies.
But Sanders position is not that radical: many prominent politicians, including two previous Democratic commanders-in-chief, have called for the CIA to be dismantled or severely constrained.
John F. Kennedy famously described his desire to splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter it into the winds after the disastrous Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba. Peter Kornbluh points out in his book Bay of Pigs Declassified that the State Department at that same time proposed that the CIA should be stripped of its covert action capacity and renamed. However, the CIA escaped any serious repercussions partly because, as Kornbluh explains, the CIAs then-director John McCone made sure that most of the copies of a damning report on the Bay of Pigs by the Agencys own Inspector General were literally burned.
Then in 1963, after Kennedys assassination, Harry Truman wrote a newspaper column explaining that I never had any thought that when I set up the CIA that it would be injected into peacetime cloak and dagger operations I, therefore, would like to see the CIA be restored to its original assignment as the intelligence arm of the President and that its operational duties be terminated or properly used elsewhere.
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https://theintercept.com/2016/02/22/in-1974-call-to-abolish-cia-sanders-followed-in-footsteps-of-jfk-truman/
by Jon Schwarz
The Intercept, Feb. 22 2016
According to an article in Politico, Bernie Sanders, during his 1974 campaign for the Senate on Vermonts Liberty Union Party ticket, called the Central Intelligence Agency a dangerous institution that has got to go. Sanders complained that the CIA was only accountable to right-wing lunatics who use it to prop up fascist dictatorships.
Jeremy Bash, a former CIA chief of staff who is now an adviser to Hillary Clintons campaign, told reporter Michael Crowley that Sanderss comment reinforces the conclusion that hes not qualified to be commander in chief. Bash explained: Abolishing the CIA in the 1970s would have unilaterally disarmed America during the height of the Cold War and at a time when terrorist networks across the Middle East were gaining strength. Bash was chief of staff for Leon Panetta at both the CIA and Defense Department, and now runs a consulting firm called Beacon Global Strategies.
But Sanders position is not that radical: many prominent politicians, including two previous Democratic commanders-in-chief, have called for the CIA to be dismantled or severely constrained.
John F. Kennedy famously described his desire to splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter it into the winds after the disastrous Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba. Peter Kornbluh points out in his book Bay of Pigs Declassified that the State Department at that same time proposed that the CIA should be stripped of its covert action capacity and renamed. However, the CIA escaped any serious repercussions partly because, as Kornbluh explains, the CIAs then-director John McCone made sure that most of the copies of a damning report on the Bay of Pigs by the Agencys own Inspector General were literally burned.
Then in 1963, after Kennedys assassination, Harry Truman wrote a newspaper column explaining that I never had any thought that when I set up the CIA that it would be injected into peacetime cloak and dagger operations I, therefore, would like to see the CIA be restored to its original assignment as the intelligence arm of the President and that its operational duties be terminated or properly used elsewhere.
CONTINUED...
https://theintercept.com/2016/02/22/in-1974-call-to-abolish-cia-sanders-followed-in-footsteps-of-jfk-truman/
When secret government agencies and secret government agents act to benefit secret agendas and secret groups and secret individuals, it isn't democracy.
Thanks, CdnExtraNational. I, too, am happy to see that Bernie agrees with JFK on civilian control of armed forces and secret agencies. There are a lot more signs, just have got to be willing to see them.
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