2016 Postmortem

Adrahil

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193. Well, here's why it's important to me.

Fri Aug 14, 2015, 02:49 PM

Aug 2015

Like it or not, our politics rely heavily on the power of party politics. The President, whoever they are, is essentially the HEAD of the party they are in. If Bernie becomes President, he is essentially the head of the Democratic Party. I'd like to know he actually wants to advance the party.

One thing I've learned over the years is that party infrastructure freakin' MATTERS.

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Sanders: Obama lost touch with grass-roots movement! [View all] KoKo Aug 2015 OP

I don't think he lost touch with it. ibegurpard Aug 2015 #1

You're wrong. n/t jaysunb Aug 2015 #5

As in intentionally AgingAmerican Aug 2015 #190

I disagree. apnu Aug 2015 #195

The one we lost because the nation was pissed off about Obamacare? SMC22307 Aug 2015 #250

Used it to get what? Higher profits for Wall Street? That's what he got. nm rhett o rick Aug 2015 #207

He is right Bjorn Against Aug 2015 #2

he couldn't ibegurpard Aug 2015 #3

Both you and Bernie are wrong. n/t jaysunb Aug 2015 #6

So what do you think he should have done differently to prevent the losses of 2010 and 2014? Bjorn Against Aug 2015 #7

Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #16

So you don't think he could have done anything to rally people? Bjorn Against Aug 2015 #18

he lost most of those areas himself JI7 Aug 2015 #22

He was elected and then re-elected by Democrats. delrem Aug 2015 #95

I don't have contempt for the left ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #96

That's twice. malokvale77 Aug 2015 #99

those elections were mostly in conservative areas that obama lost JI7 Aug 2015 #14

I agree. He had enormous support from the people BuelahWitch Aug 2015 #189

I agree. bvar22 Aug 2015 #204

I watched in dismay as he avoided any mention of voting for the down-ballot candidates. Stardust Aug 2015 #206

Attacking President Obama is definitely a winning strategy. Metric System Aug 2015 #4

He'll figure that out soon enough. Number23 Aug 2015 #8

Lolol, I laughed out loud for real when I read that. giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #10

Um... he'd better get on social media? Fawke Em Aug 2015 #41

you hang on heaven05 Aug 2015 #215

LOLOLOL... now we're "genteel." SMC22307 Aug 2015 #251

not really heaven05 Aug 2015 #252

Yeah, really. SMC22307 Aug 2015 #255

I am sure heaven05 Aug 2015 #256

"Privileged of the working class" is a complete oxymoron. SMC22307 Aug 2015 #258

so says you heaven05 Aug 2015 #260

I'm crushed. (n/t) SMC22307 Aug 2015 #261

Yes, that is indeed a master stroke of political genius and cunning - attack Obama from the left!?? Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #15

Maybe Bernie should run against the ACA next. JoePhilly Aug 2015 #34

He's out there promoting Single Payer every day, which is very popular arcane1 Aug 2015 #203

We'd be better off without the ACA, right? JoePhilly Aug 2015 #212

The ACA, with all its flaws, is better than nothing (so far). arcane1 Aug 2015 #214

If nothing else this might push Obama to break with tradition and endorse a primary candidate. George II Aug 2015 #36

I really don't want to see that. n/t murielm99 Aug 2015 #92

Attack is a bit of a strong word for Sen. Sanders's comments, isn't it? WIProgressive88 Aug 2015 #71

It don't sell papers, Wip artislife Aug 2015 #149

Of course it is.. whathehell Aug 2015 #170

You've got a peculiar interpretation of the word "attack." (n/t) SMC22307 Aug 2015 #74

Brilliant strategy. I guess Bernie doesn't need Obama supporters to win either. still_one Aug 2015 #91

Right. Wonderful strategy to gain minority support lunamagica Aug 2015 #93

And such a vicious attack! frylock Aug 2015 #97

It's a valid critique, and it's not political it's about strategy CanadaexPat Aug 2015 #165

And DU'ers loudly bitched whenever they got an email from OFA emulatorloo Aug 2015 #177

Once again you are confusing talking about tactics with attacking the jwirr Aug 2015 #209

Oh whoever gave his campaign this advice is going giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #9

what does this have to do restorefreedom Aug 2015 #27

They are running out of attacks so the anti-semitic dog whistles are coming out. Bjorn Against Aug 2015 #28

wow. that's desperation on display. nt restorefreedom Aug 2015 #29

It's the 9th paragraph of the OP giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #32

Stop the anti-semitic dog whistling Bjorn Against Aug 2015 #38

Really? Antisemitic my ass. I sit on this board giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #46

Have you ever heard of neo-Nazis? Bjorn Against Aug 2015 #53

I understand WWII but what does that have to do giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #58

Remember the terrorist attack on the Holocaust Museum a few years ago? Bjorn Against Aug 2015 #63

2014. Murdered because they were Jews. Luminous Animal Aug 2015 #117

That's your systematic racism, this country is not giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #124

Because, believe it or not, there are semitic Jews who have no "invisibility cloak" and are Luminous Animal Aug 2015 #130

Ok, that group I can understand having issues because giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #131

Aryan Nation. Storm Front. KKK. Aryan White Resistance. American Nazi Party. Nation of Islam. Luminous Animal Aug 2015 #132

& how are these Jews being spotted? giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #140

Get real...Have you never heard of someone whathehell Aug 2015 #171

How are gay people spotted? Maedhros Aug 2015 #178

Exactly, they are just trying to inoculate Bernie from criticism and R B Garr Aug 2015 #181

Once again the past has no effect on anyone unless it is 400 years of jwirr Aug 2015 #219

Oh man !!!!!!! heaven05 Aug 2015 #240

Well one very easy way to tell a Jewish person is that they go to a jwirr Aug 2015 #218

I think you are addressing the wrong person. Luminous Animal Aug 2015 #220

Sorry, that happens when old eyes do not see the right lines. I was jwirr Aug 2015 #223

Yeah sure, heaven05 Aug 2015 #242

Not denying any of that. The questioner is insisting the black people are jwirr Aug 2015 #246

When the privileged people here heaven05 Aug 2015 #248

Sometimes, if you look close, bvar22 Aug 2015 #217

First rule of holes tavalon Aug 2015 #126

clueless. antisemitic acts happen with alarming regularity in this country cali Aug 2015 #158

I've got to disagree with you on this JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #184

So very much agree with you I fear for both of them. And in President jwirr Aug 2015 #222

You're over-reacting to an honest question, IMHO, John Poet Aug 2015 #101

I am not one bit ashamed for calling out this bigotry Bjorn Against Aug 2015 #107

I'm not dismissing anything. Please don't put words in my mouth. giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #115

I did not put words in your mouth, I quoted you directly Bjorn Against Aug 2015 #116

"I didn't know that pointing out someone was white was racist" whathehell Aug 2015 #172

Oh, I see. So, since Bernie's family was killed in the Holocaust, John Poet Aug 2015 #121

I never said he wasn't white Bjorn Against Aug 2015 #122

folks trying to point out the anti-semitism used kid gloves with the poster nashville_brook Aug 2015 #247

BS heaven05 Aug 2015 #210

It wasn't exactly Bernie's ancestors (which implies generations ago) that "experienced WWII" dflprincess Aug 2015 #86

Ah... Jews are a minority too. Not all minority groups have 1monster Aug 2015 #42

Most Jewish people and most Arabic people can be "white," Fawke Em Aug 2015 #45

I'm on another board fighting a Muslim BS right now.. giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #50

Yeah, my son isn't Muslim. Fawke Em Aug 2015 #55

I'm atheist & so are my kid's... giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #62

We're in Tennessee. Fawke Em Aug 2015 #68

Thankfully, I live in a more educated part known for giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #77

Jews are a race, as well as a religion (Judaism), John Poet Aug 2015 #114

Thank you, all I was trying to understand is what the giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #119

Judaism is a RELiGION, not a "race". whathehell Aug 2015 #221

"My boyfriend is Paki" - Note that "Paki" is considered a racially offensive term. n/t PoliticAverse Aug 2015 #135

Paki, is shorter than me typing out the whole word. giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #137

Here is an article with some history on the matter... PoliticAverse Aug 2015 #139

Ahh, that explains it, it's slang giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #141

I do not think his family was seen as white in Germany during WWII. jwirr Aug 2015 #213

This is the 9th paragraph of the OP.. giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #31

you are the only person so far restorefreedom Aug 2015 #35

My point exactly... giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #54

If you had a shred of humanity, you might care that his paternal family... SMC22307 Aug 2015 #70

I don't know any of my family on my mother's side & giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #73

This isn't a contest to see which minority group has it worse. SMC22307 Aug 2015 #87

I'm Puerto Rican of the darker variety depending on the giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #103

How many average white guys had family wiped out in the Holocaust? SMC22307 Aug 2015 #133

Post removed Post removed Aug 2015 #136

The guy? The family? Strangers? 10 yes maybe 15? SMC22307 Aug 2015 #138

Post removed Post removed Aug 2015 #142

No one is suggesting that as a strategy, but you. SMC22307 Aug 2015 #144

Oh yeah, how about Farrakhan is part Jewish? giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #145

Farrakhan In His Own Words SMC22307 Aug 2015 #147

Yeah, he's not all bad. Has some pretty good ideas giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #148

You are actually praising Louis Farrakhan? The bigot who said "Hilter was a very great man"? beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #153

good to know who.defends hateful bigots. cali Aug 2015 #159

He was smart enough to set up some pretty good social programs as jwirr Aug 2015 #227

And they'll get bupkis, just like older Farrakhan supporters. SMC22307 Aug 2015 #249

"what is so bad about being Jewish?" beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #154

But those are not the only ways one can be discriminated against. And jwirr Aug 2015 #224

HE is not throwing anything out there restorefreedom Aug 2015 #72

So is the I'm Jewish a way to try & connect giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #105

no one called minorities lowly restorefreedom Aug 2015 #106

Duly noted, please inform the OP of that. giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #109

no need restorefreedom Aug 2015 #111

No. jwirr Aug 2015 #228

Oh I don't know. Maybe because Jewish people have had a history of slavery and oppression. Autumn Aug 2015 #83

So, his whole family dying & him never knowing any of them giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #108

Bernie is 73 years old. He know what it is like being stalked, profiled, harassed and murdered. Luminous Animal Aug 2015 #125

Jewish people were racially profiled, harassed, stalked, arrested & murdered Autumn Aug 2015 #156

Results of alert JustABozoOnThisBus Aug 2015 #163

Note that giftedgirl 77 is being presented as a martyr in a protected group Maedhros Aug 2015 #179

Yeah I saw that, Autumn Aug 2015 #225

It's trend; hides for bad conduct are now "silencing" posters. Maedhros Aug 2015 #232

Sometimes a time out is deserved and that's not silencing a poster. Autumn Aug 2015 #234

Are you fucking kidding me? Puglover Aug 2015 #237

Thanks for the results. I'm glad to see the jury got Autumn Aug 2015 #226

And no matter how white they looked they were the subject of jwirr Aug 2015 #231

You really need to get an education. What you said about the plight of jwirr Aug 2015 #229

I've run into a few Hillary backers on Facebook John Poet Aug 2015 #60

I don't get what Jewish has to do with anything? giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #66

you do realize that Jewish people are STILL ibegurpard Aug 2015 #110

Some people hate Jews as a group, the way John Poet Aug 2015 #127

Stop explaining, I got it. giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #128

it's not an "age thing" -- it's an anti-semitism thing. nashville_brook Aug 2015 #175

^^^I wish I could rec your post, nashville brook^^^ beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #236

given that there's a history of anti-semitism in some brands of nationalism nashville_brook Aug 2015 #239

She didn't listen to what the other posters were telling her. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #241

i guess i'm just old school - i believe solidarity should extend in all directions nashville_brook Aug 2015 #243

Agreed. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #244

"Oppression Olympics" is spot-on. n/t nashville_brook Aug 2015 #245

I mentioned it not being a contest upthread... SMC22307 Aug 2015 #254

Pretty bad strategy. Raine1967 Aug 2015 #11

Well sheshe2 Aug 2015 #40

I was an Obama supporter. Fawke Em Aug 2015 #48

Same here. WIProgressive88 Aug 2015 #76

Me, too artislife Aug 2015 #151

To be truly honest Raine1967 Aug 2015 #49

Which political party was Sanders a member of when Obama "lost touch" with the party grassroots? Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #12

Not the Democratic Party. Indydem Aug 2015 #43

Has Sanders previously ever called himself anything other than a "socialist", without added words? Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #80

Yes. truebluegreen Aug 2015 #118

In the same dated article there is this, so he seems to use all kinds of terms: Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #161

Thanks. I read it too. truebluegreen Aug 2015 #166

And yet ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #13

This isn't going to go well at all. giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #21

This isn't the first time he has said this. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #23

Do you honestly think that "the grass roots" only refers to people of color? haikugal Aug 2015 #69

No ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #75

Yeah not this one ibegurpard Aug 2015 #78

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #90

you mistake his win in 2012 for an approval vote for him ibegurpard Aug 2015 #98

Your excellent characterization exactly matches my own feelings: truebluegreen Aug 2015 #120

+10 840high Aug 2015 #134

No ... I am correctly reading the 2010 - the present polling of Democrats. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #160

Approve of, yes Babel_17 Aug 2015 #208

I think you hit on it here ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #211

Thanks, yes it does include all those people plus the old. I wasn't sure. haikugal Aug 2015 #79

Yes ... will will. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #94

Thank you. Raine1967 Aug 2015 #102

Thank you. sheshe2 Aug 2015 #143

This article was from February 23, 2015 Andy823 Aug 2015 #17

Bernie hasn't changed his message...if anything his message has Grown in Scope.... KoKo Aug 2015 #19

Is Bernie a Democrat? I haven't heard him say so. nt Adrahil Aug 2015 #56

He's running for President as one ibegurpard Aug 2015 #85

Not quite true... Adrahil Aug 2015 #155

Nailed it... SidDithers Aug 2015 #162

I have no doubt ibegurpard Aug 2015 #164

Seems that the only people hung up on that distinction have no intention of voting for him anyway.. frylock Aug 2015 #188

Well, here's why it's important to me. Adrahil Aug 2015 #193

I think Sanders is more concerned with advancing the quality of people's lives.. frylock Aug 2015 #198

That's a really naive point of view.... Adrahil Aug 2015 #202

How often has Obama proudly stated that he's a Democrat... SMC22307 Aug 2015 #259

This is from February, and I fundamentally disagree: Raine1967 Aug 2015 #20

hmm wonder what the point is in posting it now JI7 Aug 2015 #26

recall that when the administration had massive Dem majorities nashville_brook Aug 2015 #24

Obama got rid of DADT ... changed how the federal governent treated same sex couples ... JoePhilly Aug 2015 #39

I think the problem is that while Obama has been fantastic on social issues, Fawke Em Aug 2015 #51

That's a good read of the situation. Maedhros Aug 2015 #182

it's infuriating. and it's sad to see such misplaced animus nashville_brook Aug 2015 #191

This message was self-deleted by its author Maedhros Aug 2015 #192

No leadership on the best direction to take in bringing about change. jwirr Aug 2015 #230

"No leadership" in my opinion pretty much sums up the Obama Administration.[n/t] Maedhros Aug 2015 #233

He is using the Justice Department to work with cities like Ferguson MO jwirr Aug 2015 #235

This was from when he was considering a run for the Presidency MelungeonWoman Aug 2015 #25

Bernie compliments Obama all the time, he gives one critique annnd.... retrowire Aug 2015 #30

Somewhere along the line the "Hope and Change" got lost. jalan48 Aug 2015 #33

Yeah, nothing has changed. Oh wait. It has. Adrahil Aug 2015 #57

I agree he's done and tried to do a lot. jalan48 Aug 2015 #65

Oh yeah ibegurpard Aug 2015 #81

TY! R. Daneel Olivaw Aug 2015 #37

Ugh, another unforced error. GitRDun Aug 2015 #44

People were thirsty for change in 2008, 2012 and are still... Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2015 #47

I see you have 3rd way DU up in arms here PowerToThePeople Aug 2015 #52

I wonder JackInGreen Aug 2015 #61

I already saw something like that Mnpaul Aug 2015 #216

nope ibegurpard Aug 2015 #82

But they did vote for Obama treestar Aug 2015 #199

I do not think they all voted Obama in the primary PowerToThePeople Aug 2015 #201

As a life long member of the Democratic Party.. Peacetrain Aug 2015 #59

Everything is an attack to certain people. RichVRichV Aug 2015 #64

I remember Bohner attacking Obama for azmom Aug 2015 #67

No he backed off it because he never believed it ibegurpard Aug 2015 #84

Let's see if whoever the Democrat is becomes President, exactly what they will accomplish if still_one Aug 2015 #88

Yeah fighting his own party on TPP was terrific! ibegurpard Aug 2015 #100

Not everything is good, but not everything is bad either. I take the presidency as a whole, and still_one Aug 2015 #146

But but but what about the bully pulpit and republicans redstateblues Aug 2015 #112

I heard a phrase recently that resonates with this tavalon Aug 2015 #89

Yes. Bernie will take to the bully pulpit and usher in redstateblues Aug 2015 #104

If Bernie is the nominee, he will have huge coat tails. Maedhros Aug 2015 #183

Ain't that the truth. truebluegreen Aug 2015 #113

Obama had the worst obstruction ever experienced by any President. gordianot Aug 2015 #123

Its gonna take a lot more than the bully pulpit redstateblues Aug 2015 #167

Exactly gordianot Aug 2015 #169

Use the groundswell of support he's building, rather than squander it like Obama did? [n/t] Maedhros Aug 2015 #186

Exactly! Maedhros Aug 2015 #185

But he noted that Republicans took control of the Senate in the last election by linking Democratic Unknown Beatle Aug 2015 #129

Not putting single payer on the table in 2009 was a part of this 'lost touch,' PatrickforO Aug 2015 #150

He's clearly never heard of OFA frazzled Aug 2015 #152

Not cool going after the President Sanders bigdarryl Aug 2015 #157

Well, LannyDeVaney Aug 2015 #168

Oh, for fuck's sake that's a stupid thing to post. Maedhros Aug 2015 #187

Liberty U, a place to search for support. NCTraveler Aug 2015 #173

I don't think Obama really led a Grass Roots movement. He represents the Democratic Establishment. Romulox Aug 2015 #174

Bernie I wouldn't piss off too many Obama supporters. FloridaBlues Aug 2015 #176

This is an old article from February. Don't know why it was posted now. emulatorloo Aug 2015 #180

6 month article posted without attribution to the date......not nice. Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #194

this ^^^^^^^^ treestar Aug 2015 #200

He sure lost touch with this grass root Doctor_J Aug 2015 #196

No he did not treestar Aug 2015 #197

Really then Bernie isn't paying attention..... Historic NY Aug 2015 #205

Like her DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #238

A question: guillaumeb Aug 2015 #253

Laughing at Sanders' gaffe. He'll want Obama's list KittyWampus Aug 2015 #257