I think I've got a decent talking point for discussing Iraq with moderates [View All]

[kiahzero]

It grants more premises than I would generally accept, but that's the idea: if you base an argument off of premises a rational person you are trying to convince would accept, all it takes is a set of valid inferences to convince them.

So, it goes something like this (changing the tone depending on the person):
" OK, so we now know that the intelligence services of the US didn't know the difference between WMDs, their asses, and a hole in the ground. So who's responsible?
You might say that Bush didn't lie his ass off to the country; you might feel that he was just mislead by the CIA, et al. You might furthermore argue that Kerry was similarly mislead.
I disagree with that assertion, but here's the deal: no one was pushing for action in Iraq nearly as much as the Bush Administration was. Even if Kerry had a sip of the tainted Kool-Aid, Bush chugged the goddamn pitcher like the fratboy that he is."