Reply #105: Well, I'm sure the Freepers will love to read this thread: the left... [View All]

[Peace Patriot]

carping at the left. And such language!

This is called displacement. The Bush Cartel pulls a fascist coup, stealing two elections in a row, and grabbing all the reigns of government to enforce the views of a crazy, thuggish minority, and you save your nastiest language and hatred for...?

Nader was right. I didn't vote for him either time. But he was right about Gore and the NAFTA agenda. Clinton/Gore are as responsible for the outsourcing of millions of jobs, and for the destruction of our economy, and of peoples' lives and communities, as Bush is. And he was right about Kerry, on corporatization, and on the war--and on the general lack of principle (such as on torture)--from the Kerry/Edwards campaign and from the pro-global free piracy, pro-war Democratic Party leadership. And he had every right to run for president and to say so. I'm glad he did. I think there is absolutely no relationship whatsoever between Nader running for president and this junta grabbing power by purging black voters from the voting rolls, and staging a riot, and purchasing the Supreme Court, in 2000, and by two Bushite electronic voting companies tabulating all the votes using secret, proprietary software, in 2004.

It is ridiculous to blame Bush's war on Nader. You might as well blame it on Howard Dean for yelling too loud at a campaign rally (while failing to blame the news monopolies who manipulated the tape). Or blame it on John Kerry for "reporting for duty" at the convention with his cute little salute. Boy, did that turn people off! Or the DNC for putting the antiwar protesters into a orange cage outside the convention. How many votes did that lose them? I hope you can see how absurd this is.

Some think we could have won with a real antiwar candidate and populist. Or if Kerry had done this or that. But it's not so--not with Diebold and ES&S counting the votes in secret. I mean, come on. THAT IS WILDLY AND TOTALLY WRONG. We had a totally invalid, non-transparent, unverifiable election in 2004.

Let me just give you a stat: 58% of the American people opposed the Iraq war BEFORE the invasion. I'll never forget that number. Feb. '03. Before all the lies were exposed, before all the horror and the costs were known. 58%. Across the board in all polls.

The great majority of Americans didn't trust Bush THEN, way back then.

You can't tell me that the American people then voted for these criminals and thieves. I don't believe it. And the facts and the numbers back me up.

I don't think they voted for them in 2000 either. I think there were major shenanigans by the Bushites even back then, and not just in Florida. Knowing what we now know about THIS election, we can look back and make some good guesses about both the 2000 and 2002 election, and, over the four year period, see the rightwing votes go up as American opinion of Bush and all of his policies goes down. It doesn't add up.

If you look at the issue polls over the last year, for instance, you find that the great majority of Americans disapprove of every major Bush policy, foreign and domestic, way up in the 60% to 70% range. You name it. The Iraq war. Torture policy (63% of Americans oppose torture UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES--May '04). Social Security. The deficit. Women's rights. Major, major opposition. WHERE is Bush's "mandate"? WHERE is his support?

The Democrats blew the Republicans away in new voter registration in 2004, nearly 60/40. How did that happen? It happened by Gore 2000 voters getting all their non-voting family members, co-workers and friends to register and vote for the first time, because "this is the most important election in our history." Highly motivated voters, all. Plus highly motivated volunteers. Most of the new voters voted for Kerry. Most of the independents voted for Kerry. Most of the former Nader voters voted for Kerry. Who else is there? Bush 2000 voters and ...? Karl Rove's "invisible" get-out-the-vote campaign? Right.

Again, it doesn't add up. And it has NOTHING TO DO WITH RALPH NADER or either of his campaigns.

This is what we have to face. We have been DISENFRANCHISED. And we have some of our own party leaders to blame for their utter negligence and corruption--most particularly, as to 2002 and 2004, on the electronic voting boondoggle.

It's THIS that we have to deal with. Not hating Nader--who is generally dead on, on the issues. How to get our votes COUNTED. How to get transparent, verifiable elections. We, the antiwar Left, ALREADY HAVE THE MAJORITY OF THE COUNTRY ON OUR SIDE, and have since February 2003!