Reply #61: No spin, just fact [View All]

[kristopher]

TxRider Mon Dec-14-09 05:27 PM
Response to Original message
18. Ummm

"The reason we are unlikely to see a global civilization powered by windmills has nothing to do with whether such a thing is technically possible, and everything to do with whether the psychological framework that underpins our particular industrial civilization will permit that to happen."

The reason is because it is expensive, and like it or not the wind sometimes does not blow just as the sun sometimes does not shine.

We have the largest wind mill farms in the world here in Texas, but what happens on a 102 degree day when the wind stops blowing?

I can tell you what happens, the coal plants go up to max capacity.

What would happen if we shut down the coal plants and did away with them? We would sweat and our food would thaw, old folks would die to the heat, etc. etc. brownouts, blackouts, etc.

Alternatives are not cheap enough, nor reliable enough, nor plentiful enough to replace what we have yet. Though they are gaining ground it will take years of money and work to get there.

Now you say this:

Now I made a few relevant points in there. Your position of "we are unlikely to see a global civilization powered by windmills" was not one of them, it was exactly what I was arguing against. To advance that you had to insert your words into mine to remake my statement into something it is not.

Post you respond to:
"The reason we are unlikely to see a global civilization powered by windmills..."

Your reply:
"The reason is..."

How you can argue that /we are unlikely to see a global civilization powered by windmills/ isn't your meaning when you say "The reason is" is beyond belief.


You can squirm all you want but those are YOUR words and they make one of the favorite arguments that those opposing actions like cap and trade use.

Your words are not able to be spun.