Reply #270: so it wasnt "individuals" that were violent [View All]

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You think the 1921 Jaffa riot was a welcoming party
glad we cleared that up...the response to the zionists immigration was in fact violent as per the riots...and you've already declared the immorality of violence to the immigrants...so we'll have to get back to that a bit later.

you seem to ignore a basic block of Zionism ....it was based on history, that anti semitism was not going to go away and that it was about time that the jews defend themselves as is the right of every "people'. You have agreed that the jews also had this right.

i doubt the US would have taken them all in...history shows that in fact the US wasnt willing to, hence the laws in 1923 (even after WWII, they had a quota). And even if they did what happened to Self determination?...you've made it clear that the jews shouldnt get it......(being realistic):

and an interesting development:
pre 1923 zionism was immoral...if it had started post 1923 then zionism would have been "moral?"

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so far you seem to be saying the following:

jews dont get self determination (realistically)
morally they should have stayed in europe and let their fate be what it would be (certain death), since no one else would take all of them in.