Reply #98: I don't care about Israel, Ireland.....the Jews..or the Catholics [View All]

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It does not help one's argument to accuse others of things they have not said.

The U.S. and Israel's interest in Iraq have rarely coincided relative to Iraq, not before the invasion, and not now.

Before we invaded Iraq, the U.S. had no objective interest or advantage to gain in invading Iraq, as can be clearly seen today. Iraq was no immediate threat to the U.S. Israel at the same time acutely viewed the Saddam regime as an on-going NST.

By the U.S. invading Iraq, Israel is now one less a significant nation-state foe thanks to America, and America has gained who knows how many more radical Islamists as its enemy and further alienated many nation states around the world who would in more ordinary times follow our lead. Further on a relative basis relative to terrorist cells that may target either country, Israel is much better equipped as a small controlled state to protect itself from such criminals. The U.S. is a large country with many borders and a great tradition of maintaining an open culture.

As to today, right wing Israelies and those whom support them want a civil war in Baghdad, a Kurdish state (talk to the Turks about this and why they have been chilling relations with Israel), etc. They do not, at this time, want a peaceful cohesive democratic Iraq. A peaceful democratic Iraq at this stage will be allied not with the U.S. or Israel, but with Iran.

The U.S., at this time, would like a pro-American cohesive peaceful Iraq for obvious reasons. I'll concede, like Israel, the U.S. does not want a democratic Iraq either, but you will not hear this or any U.S. administration offer the truth on that.

If the context was Ireland, and there were a bunch of ardent Americans trying to get the U.S. to take over Britain to relieve them of their fears that Britain was some great threat to Ireland and it turned out these Americans all belonged to a special interest group that is **the common denominator** as to why they are supporting this Irish motivated movement...that would be very important and open for discussion. The issue is not faith - as much as some wish it were - but allegiance to a foreign nation state.