Reply #79: false dichotomy & definitions [View All]

[JackRiddler]

Not voting, because:

First of all, the focus on Bush: obviously he's not masterminding anything. His only role indeed is to do nothing during the attacks.

Administration members and even intellectual masterminds can only be "LIHOP," in the sense that things are done by hidden operators on their behalf. (Except perhaps for Cheney as "maestro" and Rumsfeld as the signer of the June 1st order on interceptions)

LIHOP/MIHOP is a false dichotomy. If the attacks were arranged by elements ensconced within the U.S. government (which I believe the evidence shows), some were actively facilitating, others were passively accepting, still others .

"LIHOP" was invented on THIS BOARD by Nico Haupt, who at first intended it as a way of helping Americans swallow the reality that it was a setup, whatever the details. As he became increasingly extreme in his crusade against the rest of the 9/11 truth movement, LIHOP became a curseword directed against those who are considered too wimpy because they reject certain pieces of evidence (i.e., "the pod"). It's divisive and irrelevant.

More, from an earlier comment:

Terms should be viewed flexibly. The CIA no longer exists in its old form (as the hierarchical international covert policy and mayhem arm of the Presidency). Its official covert operations units long ago became fronts for privatized networks. We are dealing with a permanent, nameless, octopoidal covert state with multiple heads. It consists of self-appointed operators who control private corporations and consider themselves to be the true government, whether or not they are in government. At any rate, they consider themselves above and beyond the law, and grew up in a culture in which this was acceptable due to the "communist threat." (Today they probably need to believe in the new enemy of Islamism as badly as the duped population does.)

They command vast resources in the form of secret budgets, profitable companies they actually own, front orgs, and contacts or "moles" with official titles at the "real" intel agencies. They have corporate and hyper-rich sponsors who consider themselves the ruling class either by birthright or by right of having accumulated vast wealth. The operators are not simple "rogue elements" but an entire society of rogue elements within a culture and system that empowers rogues.

Meanwhile...

There are real reasons men (especially) might get sufficiently enraged and fanatic to hurl their own bodies as weapons against an empire. It's irrational to simply kill civilians and think this will make anything better, but it has a certain satisfaction. There are plenty of real suicide bombers in the world.

The official story of 9/11 is curious because it doesn't involve a lone bomber or a military commando on a fast surprise attack, but a large conspiracy who live undercover among their victims for months and years in essentially technocratic roles.

The existence of real suicide bombers helps make the official 9/11 story more believable, but it doesn't mean it was true. How do we know who the 9/11 soldiers were? Hint: only because the FBI told us so, and there are obvious problems with their identities. (Reports of living men saying they had been falsely identitified as among the hijackers; admission by officials and 9/11 Commission that documents had been doctored.)

It's possible there were no hijackers. I don't believe that. I expect the majority of "patsies" are more accurately described as dupes. Meaning, they did intend to kill lots of Americans, or at any rate to hijack planes, but they didn't know they were part of a larger plot that actually subverts their nominal politics.

I think there is a very strong case for the use of remote control in steering the 9/11 planes.

Nevertheless, I believe the most robust way of pulling off 9/11 would be to take a "real" extremist plot and engineer it to fruition. This means your dupes actually intend to commit the crime and are leaving a real trail for multiple law enforcement agencies internationally to confirm their existence afterwards. The sympathizers in the Arab world can celebrate honestly, a real boost to the "war of civilizations"

These operations are compartmentalized. Imagine a whole bunch of boxes in which different elements do their own thing. They tend not to know what's going on in the other boxes. Some of these are truly covert and operate independently. Most do take orders from higher-ups who have the clearance to look into the boxes from above. The boxes are not connected only by official structures but also by networks established among their personnel.

One apparatus with law enforcement or intel functions watches the nasty characters (potential "terrorists"). Gives them enough space to develop, ostensibly so as to catch them doing something really bad. Infiltrates among them. Finds informants. Follows their plans. Can selectively protect them from discovery by other law enforcement agencies. Can arrest them or let them do their thing, depending on orders from above.

Another unit, meanwhile, can plan how to make sure that a desired attack actually succeeds. I expect this one's ensconced in the military more than intel.

A third unit might be preparing additional elements of the attack, like a demolition.