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Reply #81: Ok fine. Hillary = Progressive. We really mean Hillary = BAD PERSON [View All]

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Lucky 13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 09:22 AM
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81. Ok fine. Hillary = Progressive. We really mean Hillary = BAD PERSON
When people say "she isn't progressive" what they are trying to say, in a nicer way, is: She is an awful human being. Not necessarily because of policy, but because of character and tactics.

Her tactics in this campaign have been horrendous. They are gutter politics taken right from Rove's playbook. She has slandered, distorted, twisted, and spun her way to where she is now. She panders openly. She will say and do anything, at any cost, to get elected. She lies openly. She admits to lying openly. In the debate she said that she said things "she knew not to be the truth" and was embarrassed - probably more that she got caught than ashamed that she lied.

She signed a pledge in September 2007 saying that she would not campaign in MI and FL. Made statements to the press acknowledging how they would not count. Then, only after it is shown to be to her advantage, she is throwing a fit to get them seated AS IS, despite the fact that Obama's name was not on the Michigan ballot. He removed it at the party's request. It's not fair. And EVERYONE knows it.

She has built up the Republican nominee in the same breath that she tears down the Democratic frontrunner. Her surrogates have SLANDERED anyone who's allegiance has moved from Hillary to Obama. Evan Bayh has been intimidating Superdelegates and those running for office. He tells them to stay out of it and not get "cross ways" with any of the candidates - even though he openly supports Hillary.

She and the campaign have ridiculed her opponents supporters, democratic activists, and VOTERS in general - the same people you are TRYING to woo to your campaign. VOTERS have been called Prius driving, Birkenstock wearing, brainwashed, kool-aid drinking, naive, immature, latte drinking, elitist, SHEEPLE. Is this the best strategy you could come up with? INSULT the people you are trying to get to VOTE for you?

She has and continues to use her campaign and surrogates to threaten the party and party leaders. They've threatened to withhold funding for the DCCC - a brilliant strategy considering you are essentially threatening to withhold funding for Superdelegates. Her thugs have threatened Dean. There has been talk of "blood on the convention floor". Her campaign won't deny that she is considering the "nuclear" option. All behavior that actively demonstrates that she has her own ambitions ahead of the good of the party and the nation.

And then there's the robocalls to black voters in North Carolina giving them the incorrect polling information. Her campaign manager is on their board. The staff donates heavily to Clinton. These calls were also placed in previous primaries, like in Virginia, they were told to stop and the campaign was made aware. The calls continued.

And then there's the PANDERING. Voting for the Iraq war authorization: PANDERING. Saying she did not regret her vote as late as 2004: PANDERING. Gas tax holiday that 200 economists think is a STUPID idea: PANDERING. Saying she would "obliterate" Iran: Jesus Christ, I HOPE it's pandering.

No. I suppose no one owns the term "progressive". But you are missing the larger point. People are morally OUTRAGED at her behavior. MANY people who consider themselves "progressive" do not want to be associated with her any further and have criticised her and her tactics. LOTS of people. Not just party officials. Not just Dean and Pelosi. Not just KO, Stewart, Colbert, and all the other "news" guys we ALL used to regard as progressive. Not just superdelegates. Not just former friends and collegues of the Clintons. Not just black voters. Not just the international community (with her threats to Iran). But MANY people from all across the spectrum... MANY people whose vote she is, in theory, attempting to earn.

Hillary and her supporters' obvious DENIAL about how MANY MANY MANY people feel about her negativity is IGNORANT, STUPID, and ultimately to your detriment and your detriment alone. Instead of hearing negative feedback and switching your strategy, you just turned the volume up! Your inability to accept criticisms from across the political and public spectrums is self-defeating and arrogant. It's your M.O. and it's going to come back and bite you in the ass.
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