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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:29 PM
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The New Math...Hillary and her donors claim lead in popular vote.
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Amazingly, in keeping with the clueless nature of the corporate media...there is not a word about delegate count being the criteria.

I wonder how many will take her claim seriously, not realizing that the Democratic party chooses their nominee based on delegate count. The article uses the word "pugnacious", but I have some more choice words.

She includes the unsanctioned primaries in Michigan and Florida, but the NYT calls her out on that count.

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton is entering the Kentucky and Oregon primaries on Tuesday with one of the most pugnacious political messages of her campaign: That she is ahead in the national popular vote when all votes are counted, including from the unsanctioned primaries in Michigan and Florida, and that party leaders who have a vote as super-delegates should reflect this level of appeal.

This argument is of a piece with Mrs. Clinton’s increasingly populist image, as a fighter on behalf of average people, but it is also a debatable claim: Most tallies of the national popular vote put Mr. Obama in the lead, especially when Michigan and Florida are not counted.

...."If all states with popular vote totals are counted — which would exclude four caucus states that have not released numbers — Mrs. Clinton would lead Mr. Obama by more than 26,000 votes out of more than 33 million cast. By other calculations, Mr. Obama is ahead in the popular vote.

As Time Runs Short, Clinton Claims Lead in Popular Vote


I thought Bob Zimmerman's "new math" interpretation about FL and MI was totally completely utterly amazing. But what else is new...this whole campaign of hers has been that way. Breaking new ground, making new rules, ignoring the fact that there is a party organization.

Robert Zimmerman, a New York media consultant who is a major fund-raiser for Mrs. Clinton, said the popular-vote argument was a good political framework for her candidacy because it emphasizes her electability in the fall. He also said it would be fair to count Michigan and Florida when Democrats are also counting the votes from state caucuses, which require people to participate at a certain time of the day, and therefore tend to leave shift workers and laborers at a disadvantage.

“The controversies concerning the inequities of the caucus system, the Michigan and Florida primaries and the focus on electability by both campaigns makes the issue of the popular vote critically important to superdelegates,” Mr. Zimmerman said. “It should be expected that any potential nominee wins the popular vote on the way to the nomination”


Because caucus votes count for Obama...they should be allowed to count the popular vote for their side????

Eeeeeek!

I felt a good deal of satisfaction that Terry McAuliffe was shouted down in Colorado at a convention of 10,000 people when he tried the "new math".

McAuliffe claims popular vote lead for Hillary...shouted down.

The "I am winning the popular vote" thingy actually works. I have had words here locally trying to convince them that is not how it is done. It was a really brilliant ploy by her campaign, and it works very well on uninformed voters.

Do you think the media even knows how the party chooses its nominee?
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