Reply #40: hmmm... [View All]

[ulysses]

we have massive concentration of wealth and social power locked up and manipulating the organs of government and business. thrown into this is an increased level of social sophistication that far surpasses earlier times and a government that has a far different and higher place of power in society than it had before.

I'm not sure just how much more sophisticated things are. Yes, the government plays a bigger role because it's a bigger government, but it's still largely in the service of oligarchs.

i have to laugh sometimes at liberals. the most important thing liberalism ever did in the history of america has been the implimentation of the social programs of the new deal to help people produced an increased concentration of power on the hands of the government.

That's just the tool, though, and as Ani says, every tool is a weapon if you hold it right. The irony I see is that the rw has taken control of this big federal government by campaigning against the idea of big government - playing the "rugged individualism" tune (the idea that welfare equals slavery is just a variation on this).

its success is killing liberalism now.

It's being used to kill a lot more than liberalism.