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smalll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 09:12 PM
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4. Oh dear. I agree with the OP 100% but please, no Marxism!
Only by talking about class-based economic issues can the Democrats re-connect with the majority of America, and shed their upper-middle-class lattes-and-volvos image.

But Marxism just doesn't make sense anymore, history has proven it wrong, especially wrong in the type of quote you posted.

Marx made a lot of sense, but here's I think what history has shown. Marx saw that in most of history, the nobility/peasant class dichotomy was all-important. But the rise of the bourgeoisie was not just the rise of a new, exclusive, hierarchical class. The bourgeois, in fact, IS the modern man. The Marxist concept of the proletarian, which seemed to make a lot of sense in the 19th century, makes almost no sense today. In all of the West as well as in other developing and developed parts of the world (like Asia) the mass man IS a bourgeois, with bourgeois habits and attitudes. Marx in fact understood that the bourgeoisie WAS a radical and revolutionary class at one point in history; his idea of the proletariat taking over that revolutionary and tranfomational role proved itself to be a mirage. The bourgeoisie is STILL the "avant garde" in world history.
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