Reply #15: The squabbling in this thread is proving Land Shark's point [View All]

[GuvWurld]

TIA and OTOH, you guys need to re-read what Land Shark wrote. Your quarrel is counterproductive in its existence. There is no end to it other than for you both to realize you can achieve more, and make a more significant contribution to the greater good, by emphasizing the higher-order argument on which you must already surely agree: there is no basis for confidence in the results reported from U.S. federal elections.

On the assumption that we do all agree on the logic and accuracy of the "basis" argument:

--we can discuss what it will take to create a basis for confidence, meaning a discussion of election reforms required to produce such conditions

--we can discuss how to organize in as effective a manner as possible to result in these changes

Fortunately, we're doing pretty well on these points already with the Voter Confidence Resolution. See the latest thread on that here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x388444

If you've been feeling frustrated by your number crunching not moving us closer to real reform, it is because your number crunching does not directly target real reform as its goal through an actionable step. If you haven't been experiencing this frustration, I would likewise encourage you to contemplate exactly what goal you have been pursuing. I respectfully submit it is time for a different one.