Reply #3: To agree with Phantom, somewhat, [View All]

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I think that the key issue is political. It is the clear and firm separation of church and state. And that issue is, I think, only reachable if there is a clear and firm progressive stance in general. Remember the Gore/Bush debate? It was almost impossible to distinguish them on nearly all topics. End result, they were almost indistinguishable in terms of votes... And theft was made possible. If progressives have the nuts to push a clear progressive stance, results might even be very surprising precisely because all the people who feel that the political discourse does not refer to their lives will more likely get involve and vote. At that point a debate about the separation will have some chances to be accepted. The voters we have now, are massively a bunch of half-asses, the 30% of "un-decided" (!!!!!). By fostering a really progressive movement, with the real issues all lined up, a large number of people will turn up and in, and, I would guess, the non-believers you seek to attract will be among those. Re-framing is the exact opposite of what should be done. But who has the balls to call a spade a spade?