CNN: Looks Like HUNG JURY in CA Police Beating

[matcom]

breaking now

oh shit x(

[Walt Starr]

1. Which case of police brutality was this one?

Seems kind of important to know which case. Was it the one where the cop beat up the kid on video?

[matcom]

2. yup. might be a mistrial

the kid beating

[GreenArrow]

3. That's the one

smashed his head into the car and hit him.

[flamingyouth]

4. Oh no

This is horrible news. ARGH!

[matcom]

5. Count 2 (False Report) -- NOT GUILTY!!!!

:wtf:

[Heddi]

6. how could this be a hung jury?

Uh, there was this, you know, VIDEO of the thing happening.

Are they stuck in a " we agree he's guilty, but we don't know to what degree of guilt' thing---like, he's charged with X, but we think he's more guilty of Y which has a lighter sentence..

or are they stuck in a "we can't decide if he's guilty or not at all" thing?

[slackmaster]

11. Hung juries are often caused by confusing instructions

The language judges use when explaining fine points of law to juries get pretty ridiculous; deeply embedded sentences with repeated references to a "reasonable" person's state of mind or actions under the circumstances.

Jury duty is a great responsibility and can be a wonderful experience when it goes well. I would hate to have been on one that could not reach a verdict.

[matcom]

7. split 7-5 Guilty: MISTRIAL

here it comes. OUTBURST IN THE COURTROOM!

[genius]

42. Hopefully they retry it.

I can't believe they got off on the false report. What did they have: a jury of white extremists who can't read or watch video tapes? By the way for all those people who don't think it was that bad, I wonder how you would feel if it was your kid or your brother being beaten by the police. This sort of thing makes me ashamed of being white.

[BigMcLargehuge]

8. Holy crap....

How on Earth did the jury hang? They SAW the video, right????

Is Inglewood going to explode?

[hotphlash]

9. Better get home quick...

looks like riot time.

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[Walt Starr]

10. I'm getting pretty sick and tired of Bush repeats

Call me when the new season starts. I swear I saw this same thing on episode 32 of Bush Sr.!

[RFKHumphreyObama]

54. It's amazing isn't it? Everything that happened under the father

seems to be repeating itself under the son. An economic recession, war in Iraq, the controversy over wingnut justices, the accquital of police accused of police brutality in California and goodness knows what else! It's like we're stuck in some weird and very tragic time warp, only this time the Bush in office is fifty times worse than his dad was.

Let's hope that this Bush presidency ends the way that the previous one did -in defeat

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[radwriter0555]

23. Why would there be a riot?

I don't get what the fuss is about....

[Catherine Vincent]

13. There's outrage there but not enough for a riot.

That video was not as dramatic as the RK beating, imo. This one wasn't very good either but the RK one was just awful.

[hotphlash]

14. Freeper Justification

No, this is the cop Trying to subdue a black carjacking, crack dealing, prior felon that not only ran from cops and put people at risk, but fought being subdued by striking cops, biting one, and grabbing the testicles of the cop while handcuffed.

Nuff said. The verdict should have been NOT GUILTY across the board.

---Of course, being handcuffed with four cops holding you face down on the hood of a car ISN'T SUBDUED ENOUGH.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

15. I hope it stays calm, I will be driving through there in an hour

[salin]

16. There is one (of very few) benefit of all talk all news radio stations

is there an alternate route you can take if need be?

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

18. Not really but I doubt it will turn violent

But once again, justice takes a beating. This was just a kid.

[ronnykmarshall]

17. Inglewood is vowing for peace

There is a big movement in the community to remain calm regardless of the outcome.

Let's hope so.

[salin]

19. This can make a difference

I was in Detroit after the Rodney King verdict. Before the verdict was handed down, the entire city was on pins and needles, the memory of the burning down of part of the city (8 mile?) after King's death was fresh. An awareness by city, civic and church leaders, the intentional starting of dialogues and discussions were all a part of the tenuous efforts to prevent another riot. The city was quiet.

[tedzbear]

20. I dunno. This looks just as bad as the King verdict to me...

...and worse even when you stop to thing about it. Inglewood would be expecting things to be different after the King fiasco and apparently it's not.
I won't be surprised if people take this to the streets...

By the way, I live in Los Angeles.

[ronnykmarshall]

21. Turn on 980 am

I'll check in with them on the ride home today. I have to take the 60 west to either the 10/Santa Moncia or 101/Hollywood. So far things sound ok. But I don't want to take any chances.

[radwriter0555]

24. WTF does that mean? that if a jury doesn't convict some white cops the

black people will riot?

what the fukc is that about?

How offensive and racist and narrow minded is that?

How insulting. You should be ashamed. ALL of you should be ashamed.

[matcom]

26. oh FUCKING CHRIST!

*we* should be ashamed???

ashamed for WHAT exactly????

oh, that's right. if we are concerned that riots will break out (anywhere) because of a fucking overzealous cop beating a TEENAGER (forget the fact he/she might be black) than THAT is now racist on DU??

tell you what. the next person who wants to call ME a racist can show up on my fucking DOORSTEP and do so to my FACE

i am SICK OF THIS BULLSHIT

[radwriter0555]

28. I'm sick of all the people assuming that because a jury doesn't find a

white cop guilty that all black people are going to RIOT.

It's sickening. THAT is what is sickening. It's an appalling and myopic, uninformed point of view and one ONLY based on fear and ignorance.

ONE time there's a riot while the lame ass LAPD chief is at a fukcing PARTY, and everyone assumes it's the norm and thinks they're going to get mugged or shit's going to get burned down?

Excuse me for pointing out the obvious. People should start thinking for themselves.

[matcom]

30. ah, now i am ignorant

your right. i NEVER think for myself! :eyes:

i dont' fault you. you OBVIOUSLY did NOT see the fuckign video that showed a teen getting beaten on the trunk of a cop car, handcuffed and then punched.

you know, we should have shared a brewski over that one. WHAT A FUCKING FUNNY TIME when his head bounced eh?

CHRIST!! i laughed for HOURS when i ran the replay of the cops fist hitting his face! did you see the 'bounce' that was produced off his jaw??

i mean DAMN!! the biceps on that cop! man it was like watching the WWE! :bounce:

:puke:

i am personally sick of your SHITE

[radwriter0555]

32. I saw the video. What does that have to do with thinking that black people

are going to riot because of the current verdict?

That is the premise here.

You need to think about the premise you originally stated.

"oh shit" is the phrase that comes to my mind. What does that statement mean?

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[Forkboy]

40. you read racism in the term "oh shit"?

:crazy:

[salin]

34. also seems to be overlooking a few other recent tragedies

and community reactions... er rioting... in Cincinatti and very recently in Benton Harbor, Michigan. The latter may have been to an event (brutality? murder) and the former to a court ruling.

Guess if it doesn't happen in California it doesn't go on to the radar.

By the way collective rage or violent expression isn't that unusual (sadly) and isn't limited to one community. In a wierd expression of sport both winning and losing team's cities in college and professional championships have had celebrations/?lamentations? that have resulted in near riot conditions. Small one in my home town two years ago. Remember a couple of deaths in Detroit in the early nineties. Heck aren't they threatening to bring charges at Michigan State (or was it Purdue?) due to some rioting?

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

27. Well justice does seem to evade the black community when a white

cop beats the crap out of a black person. No one is saying "the blacks will riot" The city has been put on tactical alert and it has been announced all day long. I don't have anything to be ashamed of. My fears that it may spark violence are based on the history having dealt with it after King rather than any preconceived notions about the black community.

[radwriter0555]

29. Then why not rest assured it's being handled and that people

will act with honor and dignity?

The actions of a few are NOT indicative of the actions of the majority.

Why assume the worst?

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

33. No one was ASSUMING anything

[Rex]

44. People riot when they feel that the law has failed them.

It's not confined to any one race. DUrs are basing their opinions on; location, and the outcome of prior events leading up to riots of the past decades. I seriously doubt anyone here is being racist, they are just predicting the darker side of human nature will prevail.

[Bandit]

56. You suggest they should appeal it to the extreme court??

Appeals cost a lot of money. What realistic course should they follow for justice. I share their outrage and as far as I'm concerned they should burn the courthouse down. If there is no justice there should be no place to practice their immitation justice. IMHO

[genius]

43. King was an acquittal.

If this is a hung jury, there's still hope.

[newyorican]

22. Here we f*cking go again...

AmeriKlans *still* control the "just us" system.

[mumon]

25. All I can say is- Neal Boortz are you reading this?

Pigs.

[snippy]

31. I did not follow any news accounts of this trial and thus am totally

unqualified to comment intelligently. However, I did hear today on MSNBC that the prosecution expert witness testified that the force used was excessive but did not violate state criminal law. If I heard that correctly, and if that is true, I am surprised and pleased that the jury did not acquit. I think the jurors who insisted on voting guilty did the right thing. But if the prosecution's own expert testified that the cop did not violate the law I can see a reasonable person voting that the prosecution did not prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt. I hope the case is refiled.

[CBGLuthier]

36. Well flame me too

But I think all the people here suggesting that there will be a riot, acting as if there will be a riot, are not near as enlightened about things as they think they are.

Face it, just because you don't wear a hood or call people of color names doesn't mean you aren't at least to some small degree, racist.

[Character Assassin]

37. Grasping at straws

Face it, just because you don't wear a hood or call people of color names doesn't mean you aren't at least to some small degree, racist.

Nor does it mean that one is to any degree racist.

[The Backlash Cometh]

55. "Grasping at straws?"

Still having trouble accepting that unconscious racism is common and insidious, eh, CA?

Maybe this is the only kind of racism that you do understand:

http://www.nationalist.org/news/flashes/2003/moratorium.html

Enjoy.

[wellst0nev0ter]

47. If Black People Rioted Everytime Cops Victimized Blacks

And got away with it, this country would be a patchwork of firey charcoal by now.

But still, the LA riots happened because Rodney King represented the final straw in a string of high-profile miscarriages of justice. The LAPD was acting more like an occupying army than the protector of a community, Latasha Harlins was shot and killed by a storeowner who later paid a fine and some community service, and there were other disputed cases of black people shot by storeowners. Then came Rodney King, and let's just say people got tired of protesting.

Call me ignorant, but I think this is the only high-profile brutality case on the line. I'm not too sure if the community will reserve enough outrage over this to actually riot, but at least it would get the pot boiling.

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[Exultant Democracy]

39. you are joking right?

[Shanty Oilish]

45. Natural Selection has certainly overlooked a man...

who cannot successfully thwart a crotch shot from a handcuffed assailant.
And the man is a cop? Academy standards must be awfully low. I wonder what his defense would have been, if there'd been no video.

I'd have given him an extra 18 months for the lame defense. :thumbsdown:

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

46. I hope there are no riots :-(

n/t

[tlb]

48. Give the jury some credit.

They heard the evidence, ALL the evidence. We didn't.

If they could not reach a verdict I have to give them the benefit of the doubt. However damning that vdieotape appears, some element of the state's case fell short.

[sendero]

49. I'm sure ....

.... you felt the same way about the OJ verdict.

[Muddleoftheroad]

50. Wait a second

This was not just a lone holdout. This was a 7-5 decision. That's pretty damn important.

I tend to try and avoid following these kind of trials because I've had my own problems with cops and it gets upsetting. But I do have faith in the jury system and if five of 12 jurors doubt something, then THAT is worth noting.

[slackmaster]

52. OJ case was an aberration

A wealthy defendant employed a team of exceptionally talented defense attorneys who managed to razzle-dazzle the jury. The people of California did not get a fair trial IMO.

[slackmaster]

51. Having been on three juries I am very sympathetic

All three of the juries I have served on were able to reach verdicts, but in two of the cases we all felt that important information was being kept from us and that our choices were severely limited by the judges' instructions. In most trials jurors are NOT selected for their gullibility or stupidity or vulnerability to appeals to emotion. Lawyers on both sides usually want people with good minds who will listen to their interpretation of events.

I must say that overall I was favorably impressed; the system usually works and justice is usually served. Due to the inherently adversarial nature of both civil and criminal trials one should never be too surprised or disappointed when all sides are not happy with the outcome.

[Loonman]

53. Transcript of testimony of trial available, yet?

I heard a witness backed up the claim that the kid grabbed the guy's nuts.

Not that that warrants the treatement he received, but if anyone grabbed my nuts without asking permission first, would get beaten down.