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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 01:39 PM
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So did congress vote yet to make the homeland part of the battlefield?
Edited on Mon Nov-28-11 01:45 PM by midnight
The Administration strongly objects to the military custody provision of section 1032, which would appear to mandate military custody for a certain class of terrorism suspects. This unnecessary, untested, and legally controversial restriction of the President's authority to defend the Nation from terrorist threats would tie the hands of our intelligence and law enforcement professionals. Moreover, applying this military custody requirement to individuals inside the United States, as some Members of Congress have suggested is their intention, would raise serious and unsettled legal questions and would be inconsistent with the fundamental American principle that our military does not patrol our streets. We have spent ten years since September 11, 2001, breaking down the walls between intelligence, military, and law enforcement professionals; Congress should not now rebuild those walls and unnecessarily make the job of preventing terrorist attacks more difficult. Specifically, the provision would limit the flexibility of our national security professionals to choose, based on the evidence and the facts and circumstances of each case, which tool for incapacitating dangerous terrorists best serves our national security interests. The waiver provision fails to address these concerns, particularly in time-sensitive operations in which law enforcement personnel have traditionally played the leading role. These problems are all the more acute because the section defines the category of individuals who would be subject to mandatory military custody by substituting new and untested legislative criteria for the criteria the Executive and Judicial branches are currently using for detention under the AUMF in both habeas litigation and military operations. Such confusion threatens our ability to act swiftly and decisively to capture, detain, and interrogate terrorism suspects, and could disrupt the collection of vital intelligence about threats to the American people.
Rather than fix the fundamental defects of section 1032 or remove it entirely, as the Administration and the chairs of several congressional committees with jurisdiction over these matters have advocated, the revised text merely directs the President to develop procedures to ensure the myriad problems that would result from such a requirement do not come to fruition. Requiring the President to devise such procedures concedes the substantial risks created by mandating military custody, without providing an adequate solution. As a result, it is likely that implementing such procedures would inject significant confusion into counterterrorism operations.
The certification and waiver, required by section 1033 before a detainee may be transferred from Guantánamo Bay to a foreign country, continue to hinder the Executive branch's ability to exercise its military, national security, and foreign relations activities. While these provisions may be intended to be somewhat less restrictive than the analogous provisions in current law, they continue to pose unnecessary obstacles, effectively blocking transfers that would advance our national security interests, and would, in certain circumstances, violate constitutional separation of powers principles. The Executive branch must have the flexibility to act swiftly in conducting negotiations with foreign countries regarding the circumstances of detainee transfers. Section 1034's ban on the use of funds to construct or modify a detention facility in the United States is an unwise intrusion on the military's ability to transfer its detainees as operational needs dictate. Section 1035 conflicts with the consensus-based interagency approach to detainee reviews required under Executive Order No. 13567, which establishes procedures to ensure that
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periodic review decisions are informed by the most comprehensive information and the considered views of all relevant agencies. Section 1036, in addition to imposing onerous requirements, conflicts with procedures for detainee reviews in the field that have been developed based on many years of experience by military officers and the Department of Defense. In short, the matters addressed in these provisions are already well regulated by existing procedures and have traditionally been left to the discretion of the Executive branch.


http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/legislative/sap/112/saps1867s_20111117.pdf
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 01:43 PM
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1. Maybe tonight.
Contact Congress against arresting people in the US and putting them in military prisons:

https://secure.aclu.org/site/Advocacy?cmd=display&page=UserAction&id=3865&s_subsrc=fixNDAA
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 01:46 PM
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2. Doing so would be our overlords formalizing war on we citizens.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 01:49 PM
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3. That's an excellent point... And did they even do that on the other
three wars we have going?
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 02:34 PM
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4. prison camp usa
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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 02:58 PM
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5. "... military custody for a certain class of terrorism suspects." I'm trying to parse that.
Does it mean, a certain class of suspicion, or a certain class of person (eg. certainly not of the 1%) under suspicion?

... And, does this mean there is now a formal US legal definition of 'terrorism' (that again, would have to somehow exclude eg. 'banksters' and their bosses) at last?

Or, is it already suspicious that I should be curious about the answers to these questions, so I would be wise to just STFU?
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 03:05 PM
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7. The vagueness and secrecy of this bill is very concerning...
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 03:02 PM
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6. turning up the heat on citizen 'frog' in the pot--everyday hotter
and hotter
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 03:11 PM
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8. The fact that this bill was not publicly debated, and it's being voted on right after a holiday
weekend and on another big shopping day, and might be rammed through is some version is creating a very uncomfortable climate for asking questions...
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 05:25 PM
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9. yeah well 'ram it through' has been the theme for over 10 yrs+
Edited on Mon Nov-28-11 05:26 PM by katty
w/the us government -- we are living our days in orwell-land -- they just keep pushing and we keep swallowing.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 05:43 PM
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10. Yep....
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 06:55 PM
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11. the National Defense Authorization Act bill, which is set to be up for a vote on the Senate floor
Monday, the legislation will “basically say in law for the first time that the homeland is part of the battlefield,”http://www.presstv.ir/detail/212575.html
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 06:58 PM
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12. 1:00 p.m.: Convene and resume consideration of S.1867, the National Defense Authorization Act.
Monday, Nov 28, 2011
1:00 p.m.: Convene and resume consideration of S.1867, the National Defense Authorization Act.

Thereafter, proceed to executive session to consider the nomination of Christopher Droney to be United States Circuit Judge for the Second Circuit.http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/legislative/d_three_sections_with_teasers/calendars.htm
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blkmusclmachine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 07:51 PM
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13. Probably. It's "bi-partisan," y'know?
And DC **LOVES** "bi-partisanship," as long as "bi-partisanship" means that the GOP will get 98% of everything it wants. (And the other 2% will be on an IOU to the GOP.) THAT'S "change" you CAN'T believe in! :yoiks:
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 08:03 PM
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14. It is bipartisan... Michigan Dem. Levin introduced this bill
on November 15,2011



S.1867
Latest Title: National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012
Sponsor: Sen Levin, Carl (introduced 11/15/2011) Cosponsors (None)
Related Bills: H.R.1540
Latest Major Action: 11/18/2011 Senate floor actions. Status: Considered by Senate. http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d112:s.1867:
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