I can't believe the 911 Commission agreed to these conditions for Condi's

[ElsewheresDaughter]

under oath public testimony!

"and that Condi NOT be called backed for further testimony and that NO other White House offials be called for future questioning"
and "that bush* and cheney appear TOGETHER before the commission for only 1 hour and that notes can be taken ONLY by 1 person and that these fucking notes be classified too"....:wtf: ???? why did the fucking 911 Commission agree????

this a a bullshit investigation!!!!

"Yesterday, Mr. Bush's lawyer told the commission that Ms. Rice would testify. And after months of unacceptable delay, the lawyer said Mr. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney would also talk to the entire commission in private, not under oath. But the panel had to pay a price: it agreed, at the administration's insistence, that after Ms. Rice testifies, it will not call her back or ask any other White House official to testify in public.".....NYTimes

[terisel]

1. Unfortunately I think your are right.

Condoleeza Rice will have a big audience, lie and blame others, and there is no opportunity find out if she is telling the truth.

What are the options?

[aquart]

4. If she is caught in one lie, the WH explodes.

If she weasles, obfuscates, or avoids, they lose.

Doesn't matter a damn what the committee promised. It won't be the first time Bush has flip-flopped.

[maddezmom]

2. thought bush* and cheney were going to meet w/ all commissioners

for as long as needed, in private and not under oath(which is pointless anyway)? That's what I thought I heard. :shrug:

[ElsewheresDaughter]

6. nope just 1 hour and together not seperately..so really just 30 min each

..and NOT under oath and it will be classified and only 1 person can take notes and those fucking notes will be classified too!...fuck me twice!

"Yesterday, Mr. Bush's lawyer told the commission that Ms. Rice would testify. And after months of unacceptable delay, the lawyer said Mr. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney would also talk to the entire commission in private, not under oath. But the panel had to pay a price: it agreed, at the administration's insistence, that after Ms. Rice testifies, it will not call her back or ask any other White House official to testify in public." ...NYTimes

[quispquake]

8. As some woman on CSPAN just said...

Tweedledum & Tweedledee...

[maddezmom]

11. who is paying the price...the citizens of the US and the victims of 9/11

But the panel had to pay a price: it agreed, at the administration's insistence, that after Ms. Rice testifies, it will not call her back or ask any other White House official to testify in public." ...NYTimes

what arrogant pieces of crap :puke:

[MSgt213]

3. Because they are trying to cover for the administration

[DeepModem Mom]

5. NYT editorial: "disturbing conditions"

Of Privilege and Politics

Published: March 31, 2004


President Bush finally agreed yesterday to allow his national security adviser, Condoleezza Rice, to testify publicly and under oath to the panel investigating the 9/11 attacks. But Mr. Bush did the right thing only under intense political pressure and after he had already undermined the principles he claimed to be upholding. His reversal came with disturbing conditions attached, wrapped up in a volley of spin. All in all, it leaves the impression of a White House less interested in helping the 9/11 panel perform its vital task than in protecting the president's political flanks....


http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/31/opinion/31WED1.html

[0007]

12. Thanks for the NY Times article

Definitely not in favor of junior and his gang of thugs.

Self-inflicted wounds for the White House is certainly a true statement.

[acmavm]

7. No more, no less than I ever expected from this 'investigation' into

the failure of this administration prior to 9/11. Sorry, but never did expect the truth anyway, so not disappointed. Just surprised that so many other people are.

[DoYouEverWonder]

9. The fix is in

the 911 Commission will be a whitewash.

They're already making their excuses this morning.

All Keane is concerned about is finishing their report. They need to hurry up and get it done in time, so that the fallout doesn't effect W's reselection chances too much.

[BOSSHOG]

10. Lets consider it this way

Down the road, when someone else comes forward (ala Clarke) and tells more powerful true stories, the bush administration will want to refute the facts (wonderful administration) by testifying before the commission. The commission will then point to the ground rules set by the white house and reject the request. However, they could offer the president the opportunity to FLIP FLOP. AGAIN!

[gandalf]

13. Perhaps you overestimated the commission

and their strive for the truth.
As they have the power to issue subpoenas, they could have achieved more cooperation.
I am not sure if it is the commission's goal to find and publish the truth about 9/11 (more precisely: they will certainly not do it).

Did they discuss the military drills with a plane crashing in buildings in Washington on that very day 9/11, that really absurd coincidence? Did they ask why there is no video footage of the hijackers passing security checks in the alleged starting airports for the flights 11, 77, 93, 175? Did they ask the really tough questions?

[ElsewheresDaughter]

14. shaking head in disgust...nope

[kiahzero]

16. Wrong on several accounts

1) Yes, the commission has supoena power. It also has a time limit to finish its work. A supoena battle in the Courts would take longer than the life of the commission, and would therefore be useless.

2) The commission hasn't actually discussed the day of 9/11 yet; that comes later... so far, they are just discussing the leadup, and what could have been done better.

3) If you're expecting this commission to come back and say "Bush did it!", you're going to be let down. The people with the access to the classified information all believe that al Qaeda is responsible. Either they're all lying (unlikely, since if the Democrats had proof of actions by this Administration to cause 9/11, they'd run with it) or they're telling the truth.

[gandalf]

18. Commission has discussed the day of 9/11.

2) The commission hasn't actually discussed the day of 9/11 yet
That is not quite correct. For example, in their hearing on May 23, 2003, they discussed the failure of the air defense in a public hearing.

The people with the access to the classified information all believe that al Qaeda is responsible.
Such a broad statement is impossible to prove. Maybe some people with the access to the classified information indeed believe that ...
Do you have any evidence for your claim?

[kiahzero]

20. The people with Secret or Top Secret clearence

are saying Al Qaeda did it. I've yet to see a government insider suggest anything to the contrary. Perhaps "all" was too broad, but unless you can demonstrate that those that have spoken up so far are not a valid sample of the population of all those with access to the information, I stand by the rough idea of my claim.

As for the May 23, 2003 hearing, I wasn't aware of that one - I just remembered someone testifying before the Commission being taken to task because they started talking about the actual day, and one of the Commission members said something along the lines of "Not now, we're focusing on the leadup now; we'll discuss the actual day later."

[gandalf]

23. Opinions of Insiders?

I cannot make a valid guess about the distribution of opinions within the inner circles of Washington. I am afraid we are dealing here with beliefs, not with facts.

Here is the transcript of the said day. Look, for example, at page 78. There they discuss when NORAD learned about flight 77 being hijacked. ("Other parties on the phone bridges in turn
shared information about actions they were taken. NORAD logs
indicate that the FAA made formal notification about American
Flight 77 at 9:24 a.m. But information about the flight was
conveyed continuously during the phone bridges before the formal
notification.")

[ElsewheresDaughter]

28. wow .......thanks for the link gandalf

[gandalf]

30. You're welcome!

[Beaker]

21. ummm...there IS footage of Mohammad Atta going thru security-

in the airport he used in Maine to fly to Boston to connect to the flight that he was a hijacker on....since he cleared security in maine, he wouldn't have gone thru security in Boston.

[gandalf]

25. Did all of the hijackers go through security elsewhere?

And about about footage from other areas of the airports, shops, etc? That there exist absolutely no footage from the starting airports of the doomed flights seems not plausible.

[Q]

15. This all makes sense...

...if you realize the 'commission' was bogus from the very beginning. The Bush* WH set the parameters and goals of the commission and made the outcome a foregone conclusion.

- Does anyone really think the Bush* government could afford a real bipartisan commission searching for the truth?

[gandalf]

19. The commission is certainly bogus

I only doubt it is the WH that sets the parameters.

[coltman]

17. Again we have........

under estimated gee dubya.This was all cut and dried when the wh was allowed to select the investigating body and set it's time frame.The commission is a sham.Lets not do it again in Nov.or I fear democracy will not recover.

[mzmolly]

22. Unf**king real isn't it?

x(

[warrior1]

24. Will the 9/11 familes be there?

If they are maybe they'll do a mini protest.

[mzmolly]

26. I hope they will. The 911 widows are not a group to be messed with.

These women are strong and they are fighters. I am certain there are a few men with a fighting spirit who have been wronged by this tragedy as well.

I do wonder where "personal responsibility" comes into play here for Mr. Bush? It seems to be a meme that they are fond of, unless of course it means them.

[9215]

27. It really is pathetic. They should have made an issue

out of this. In essence Bush is telling the Commission, a Commission designed to investigate him, what they can and cannot do.

This is some fucking used car deal.

[Selwynn]

29. I told you so - you guys constantly get all excited over nothing...

The 9/11 Commision is bought and paid for. The Commission will let Rice off the hook and release its report that says nobody was really to blame.