New CBS Poll: Kerry 49%, Bush 41%

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

(CBS) Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry holds an eight-point lead over President George W. Bush among registered voters in the latest CBS News poll, 49% to 41%, but one of the names currently bandied about as a running mate for him - Republican Sen. John McCain - gives Kerry an even larger edge when added to the ticket.
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also in poll:

with McCain:
Kerry/McCain
53%
Bush/Cheney
39%
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with Edwards

Kerry/Edwards
50%
Bush/Cheney
40%


more at:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/05/26/opinion/polls/main619786.shtml

[Sparkly]

1. No Kerry/Clark?

It's great news, anyway. These numbers are lookin' good. :)

[KittyWampus]

15. Put Just About ANYONE On Ticket With Kerry & Get 5 Point Bounce

provided there's some name recognition.

[Jeff in Cincinnati]

50. I think that's it exactly...

Let's face it -- if you're a regular on this site, you're a political junkie who can probably name half the members of the United States Senate from memory.

Normal People, by that I mean non-DUers, aren't quite so well-versed and many of them (including many good Democrats) don't know John Kerry from Adam's Housecat. Coupling him with a name from outside his own region (John Edwards, for example) bumps up the name recognition of the ticket.

[trogdor]

51. You got it.

Lots of people respect Sen. McCain. A lot.

I imagine lots of wingnuts in the House of Representatives would just love to impeach Kerry to make him President, given half a chance. We don't need this shit; he should pick a loyal Democrat. There are lots of those who command an equal amount of respect, like Wesley Clark. I'm not a Clarkie, but if Kerry wants to pick a big name with big guns, Clark would be WAY preferable to McCain.

[goclark]

2. I Heard It on CNN but..

The reporting of the poll numbers stopped after the "glowing" discovery by Scheidner(?) that McCain would really put Kerry in a position to win.

Hummmm, he never mentioned that with Edwards, Kerry would still be ahead by 10 points.

Funny how they leave off the most interesting parts of the picture.

[Eric J in MN]

3. If Kerry chose McCain, then more Democrats would learn

If Kerry chose McCain, then more Democrats would learn that McCain isn't pro-choice, and Kerry's chances would decrease.

[Sparkly]

6. Well, he won't

and he doesn't need to.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

25. I am of the distinct impression that McCain IS pro-choice

please correct me if I'm wrong.

[Tansy_Gold]

29. McCain is anti-choice

AND HE IS ALSO BOOSH'S CAMPAIGN CHAIR IN ARIZONA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He is a boosh supporter! He is NOT going to run with Kerry!!!

Tansy Gold, having a mild stroke and hiding this thread

[emulatorloo]

31. But it just makes Karl Rove so UNHAPPY to hear the speculation.

And for that I am OK with the rumor and media attention.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

42. O.K. I didn't know this. I do now:

"...McCain has consistently opposed legalized abortion, affirmative action, gay rights and virtually every gun-control measure that's come down the pike.

"It's outrageous and offensive" that McCain would even be considered as Kerry's running mate, said Elaine Werner, former executive director of the National Abortion and Reproductive Rights Action League of Connecticut."

http://www.ctnow.com/news/politics/hc-jacklinopedmonmay24.artmay24,1,2474670.column?coll=hc-utility-news-politics

[immoderate]

53. If memory serves me correctly...

McCain is pro-choice when it comes to his own family, and anti-abortion for everybody else.

MANCHESTER, New Hampshire (CNN) -- Republican presidential candidate John McCain, when asked Wednesday what he would do if his 15-year-old daughter Meghan became pregnant and wanted an abortion, said it would be a "family decision."

"The final decision would be made by Meghan with our advice and counsel," McCain said, speaking of himself and his wife Cindy.

http://www.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/01/26/mccain.abortion/

--IMM

[Jawja]

46. If I remember correctly

from the 2000 campaign, McCain is anti-choice; HOWEVER, he believes that changing the culture is the answer instead of changing the law.

I am pro-choice. But I can live with measures in place to insure that abortions are rare, such as sex education in high schools, morning after pill, etc. In others, the education of young women and the guarantee that she does indeed, have a choice. You know, all the things that the neo-cons DON'T want other than "just say NO to sex."

I am comfortable with McCain's views on the choice question.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

4. mainstream media trying to cover up this story

and are only covering the mccain part of it, ignoring that kerry is now 8 pts ahead of 'this popular wartime president' even w/o naming a running mate

[Justice]

5. So The Speech on Monday Really Helped Bush, Ah?

[HFishbine]

47. The poll was taken before Bush's speech

Not that I expect his speech will make much of a difference, but just for accuracy.

[MoonRiver]

7. Yowsa! Isn't this the second CBS poll in two weeks with Kerry out ahead?

Naturally CBS's numbers along with Zogby's are ignored by the press.
:grr: Doesn't help the selection process. :mad:

[Egalitarian Zetetic]

8. Kerry/Mccain 2004 <nt>

[monkeymind]

9. look at them pimping McCain

disgusting.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

10. rw powers that be sense a loss

all they canhope for now is to have mccain in there to make them feel like they're still partially in power

[Soup Bean]

17. Well, CONGRESS is still pretty much tied up.

That's why I think conservative Republicans (little c) feel like voting for Kerry is "safe". The scare tactics really aren't working on Kerry much at all.

Americans may not be quite as gullible as reported. They won't talk about Bush being a poor President, just like many won't really say they enjoy a drink of alcohol from time to time. Stigma. However, if they really get to vote, they'll vote Kerry and tell people they voted Bush.....rabid right wingers are kind of scary and intimidating to most folks, especially when you throw in God and Jeebus.

[emulatorloo]

32. Somewhere in the White House, GWB is crying into a pillow. . .

and Karl Rove is trembling with anger and Karen Hughes is downing another Zantec w a gin Martini. . .and for that reason alone I am happy to hear this rumor broadcast on cable news.

[underpants]

11. Goes up with Edwards huh?

:spank:

Crush!

[ima_sinnic]

12. June 9th can't come soon enough--that is McCain's deadline

to file papers or whatever it is that makes him officially running for his Senate seat. That will shut up this nonsense once and for all.

[Bronco69]

13. Not necessarily.

He can still run for his senate seat AND be a vice presidential candidate too. Joementum did it in 2000 and I believe Lloyd Bentson did it in 1988. But I agree. I'm pretty sick of hearing about putting a repuke on our ticket.

[Jack Rabbit]

20. The depends on Arizona law

Connecticut allows it; I also know that Texas does (or did in 1960, when LBJ was re-elected to the US Sentate the same night the Kennedy-Johnson ticket squeeked by Nixon-Lodge nationally).

[osaMABUSh]

22. Joementum - God I love that - thanks for putting that in there

It seems like only a few months ago (wait, it was only a few months ago) that we got to watch Lieberman finish in a three way tie for third place in one primary. And with that surge garner Joementum.

Just think, four years ago he was within a gnat's eyelash of being our VP and then a heartbeat from the Presidency. At least his candidacy in '00 keeps him off the ticket this year.

[NNN0LHI]

14. Holy sheepshit!

Forget the polls. Keep working hard. Lets get both houses of congress back too.

Don

[underpants]

16. Seems to be rolling a bit downhill huh?

or stagnant/uphill depending on where you are ankle deep.

[NNN0LHI]

18. You know. I thought Kerry's ads weren't worth a pile of beans either

Thing is they are not aimed for people like me. I have made my mind up. They don't interest me. They are aimed for the undecided voters and must be working too. I notice Bush's ads are more aimed to his base rather than the undecideds. That says to me the Chimp is in trouble.

Don

[emulatorloo]

33. Xcellent analysis. . .n/t

[Virginian]

36. All the ads are about Kerry.

Bush does negative Kerry ads and Kerry does positive Kerry ads.

[sandnsea]

39. You are so right

There's the negative and the positive. All people see is the shitstorm in Iraq, the screwed up economy, and John Kerry. Negative and positive. They weighed it, dismissed the Bushit, and said YEP, Kerry!

Ya think that's really it?

[underpants]

45. Listening to RW radio it is clear that they desperate to hold the base

W can't afford to lose ANYONE and still have a shot.

Hannity"Now more than ever we need you" it says that daily.

I have heard both Hannity and Rush say something like "Now I know that your heart is uneasy right now........RELAX all is well!! Remain calm!!!!!"

[AndyTiedye]

19. How Long Would Pres. Kerry Live with a Republican VP?

President Kerry will need A VP that provides him with LIFE INSURANCE!

We have reason to be very worried about the longevity of Democratic
Presidents from Massachussetts with the initials "JFK".

[DaveSZ]

23. Bad idea

Look at how many times our leaders are killed or wounded.

Granted, we did well with Teddy Roosevelt and LBJ, but we were also screwed over with Andrew Johnson.

[TankLV]

37. Umm - Teddy was a republican! FDR is probably one of the greatest

presidents ever, and FDR was the Democrat!

Then Teddy ran on the "bullmoose" ticket.

But thanks for playing!

[emulatorloo]

34. Kerry/Quayle 2004 EOM

[doni_georgia]

21. Look at the Bush numbers - Kerry doesn't need McCain

With McCain on the ticket, Kerry would only pick up 1% of the Bush vote. The other 2% are undecided voters, most of them will probably go for Kerry anyway. Once an incumbent starts a downward spiral in an election year, it's pretty hard for them to turn it around.

[Beetwasher]

24. Yup, but the mere Discussion of McCain is fucking brilliant!

McCain won't be on the ticket, but w/ Edwards Kerry pulls 50% vs. Bush 40% in this poll! That's AMAZING and HISTORIC at this point of a campaign!!!

[NNN0LHI]

30. I think Clark would do almost if not as good as Edwards

But I think the VP will be chosen using mostly internal polling data. Probably a very good idea too. It worked for Gore in 2000.

Don

[sandnsea]

43. It is brilliant

Around my house, we were thinking of a phony VP candidate, to throw the media off the track and maybe even get the Bushies to spend some attack money. We were thinking Hillary.

But McCain is even better because every day it's a dent in the idea that Kerry is just a Massachusetts liberal. Nope, he's a guy that McCain likes so well that he hasn't said a bad word about him.

I don't know who Kerry will pick. If you think of Teresa and Max, the things they have in common are being outspoken, absolutely down to earth and huge hearts. Which actually sounds a bit like Howard Dean! That won't happen, anybody else fit that bill?

[osaMABUSh]

26. We all know it is Edwards or Clark - economy or war?

Forget everything else, Kerry has to decide what this election will turn on - the economy or the war/terra? It is getting clearer that the answer is war so Clark is the man.

[Darranar]

27. Excellent! n/t

[osaMABUSh]

28. Who picks up the Vet vote? Ah, that'd be Clark again...

CBS says:
"McCain brings many more veterans to the Democratic camp: tested one-on-one against Bush, Kerry loses to Bush among veterans, 54% to 41%. With Kerry and McCain together, the two tickets split the veteran vote."

Clark would do as well with Vets too, obviously.

Now this tidbit was a bit strange:
"The Edwards addition also closes the gap with veterans."

Did Edwards ever serve? Seems like as long as Kerry teams up with 'somebody' he is liked more.

Hey John, bring on that VP ASAP!

[KharmaTrain]

40. If We Need Clark For The Military By Now, We'll Never Get 'Em

With this invasion, the neglect of our troops, the extended deployments, cuts in health care and other benefits and the possibility of war for years to come, if the mainstream military isn't turning on this regime, I don't know what it will take, surely not Wesley Clark.

I enjoy the McCain chatter, because that's all it is. Kerry should go for the man who he best works with and can be ready to serve as President rather than picking from former candidates or trying to play the geopolitical/demo games. We don't need them.

Consider that this election will be fought on several levels in several key states with different hot issues. Ohio, the military means little...and a Gephardt or Bayh will do well there, where a Clark or Graham will do well in Florida and so on.

The good news is this regime continues to self destruct and I can't see them doing much to recover the military vote in 5 months...especially with the court martials coming up and surely more returning coffins and wounded.

I enjoyed watching Clark tonight with Tweety and he's a great spokesman for both the party and John Kerry. His future in this party is bright and I'm sure that if Kerry is elected, the General will have an important part in helping bring our troops home and the healing that will then have to take place.

[SmileyBoy]

35. YEEES!!! YEEEESSS!!! OH FUCK YES!!!!!

FUCKING YEEEEESSSSS!!!!!!

[moondust]

38. McCain wants Bush "reelected".

That's two anti-Democratic sentiments in one breath. I think the case for McCain is the brain(less)child of the RNC and its thirst for totalitarian power (by some other name, of course).

[DrWeird]

41. A republican veep nominee didn't work very will in 2000.

Why would it work now?

[qwerty]

44. yea yea yea

ya ay ya ya ya ya!!!!

[radwriter0555]

48. Ooooo I'm gonna have my bush = 37% by June 6 for SURE!!!

yeee haw!

[robbedvoter]

49. Did Rush suggested those VPs too? We know he makes polls:

GOP pollster Luntz revealed Limbaugh's role in new survey
http://mediamatters.org/items/200405250004

Republican pollster Frank Luntz, CEO and president of Luntz Research Companies, appeared as a guest on the May 21 FOX News Channel's Hannity & Colmes to present the results of his new poll that purportedly showed that a plurality of Democrats say if they had the choice they would prefer Senator Hillary Clinton over Senator John Kerry as their presidential nominee. Luntz admitted radio host Rush Limbaugh had a role in instigating the survey:

[Texican]

52. Kerry/McCain

Can't remember where I saw it earlier this week. Kerry/McCain 63%.

[Bandit]

54. I think Kerry is brilliant by doing this. Saying he is considering McCain

That is. We all know he won't pick McCain but the great makority of americans don't know squat. Just by offering the suggestion that he is considering McCain it makes a lot of people think "Hey this guy is inclusive" I may give him another look. especially now that Bush* is being shown as the naked emperor. Kerry is a lot smarter than people around here are giving him credit for. By suggesting he is bipartisan enough to consider a republican as his running mate he will garner a tremendous amount of independent voters who are in fact sick to death of all the partisan rancor. :thumbsup: to Kerry and his Advisors.