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Neecy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 04:00 PM
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Ok, this may be crazy, but is Cheney planning a coup?
Hear me out...I know this sounds weird.

In the last few days, beginning with the Chimperor's press gathering in Idaho, he's looked like he's going to break out into tears at any moment. Add in his bizarre behavior at his recent speeches - even stranger than usual - and he looks like someone on the edge of crisis.

Is it Sheehan, or his falling approval poll numbers? Maybe. But Bush cares so little about the opinion of others - in fact, he only struts more in the face of adversity - that I don't think this is the case.

My guess is that he's been insufficiently enthusiastic about Cheney's plans to attack Iran (or any other country on his radar), and he's been given some kind of threat or ultimatum. Maybe he knows that Cheney can leak impeachable information, either on Plame or any one of the million scandals in this administration. If Bush is impeached, the batshit Cheney can start all of the wars his heart desires - or Bush can go along and keep playing pretzeldent.

Just watching him this week makes me intuitively think something is seriously amiss, and I've never caught vibes like this before. There's something completely off about him, and whatever has set it off can't be far around the corner. He looks terrified and weepy. That's certainly not the normal(!) reaction of a strong-arm sociopath, but it's the reaction of a puppet whose strings are being yanked.

Has anyone else noticed this creepy vibe about him lately?

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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 04:01 PM
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1. I think it's his health getting worse and he can't
cope being in the public eye as well as he did in the past.
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Neecy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 04:03 PM
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3. I dunno....
I guess all of the negative press reaction against him lately as well has me suspicious - it seems to have sprouted up out of nowhere. Nothing is that random amongst our press barons, though.

Just stuff that makes you go hmmmmmmm.
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Melodybe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 04:04 PM
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5. They already did it was called the 2004 election
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Jersey Devil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 04:18 PM
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12. He looks pasty faced, all grey and ashen colored
He reminds me of a few people I know before they had bypass surgery. I am not kidding. His color is horrible.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 04:26 PM
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30. His coloring looks like someone who has cancer
Edited on Fri Aug-26-05 04:27 PM by Horse with no Name
Seriously. Add that to his marked weight loss.
I would rule out heart problems because he wouldn't be able to go cycling. He would be out of breath.
Perhaps Lance did talk to him about cancer?
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 04:44 PM
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44. Cardiac grey
That is the skin color that you are describing.

I haven't noticed it on shrub, I am usually too distracted by his bizarre speech patterns & neurological symptoms. Every time I see that fker I am confounded as to how ANYONE would EVER have supported such a buffoon.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 09:40 PM
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97. Alcohol = pasty face and loss of weight.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 02:06 PM
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137. You might find this intriguing:
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/printer_7267.shtml
From Capitol Hill Blue "Bush's Obscene Tirades Rattle White House Aides

(snip)

Bush’s behavior, according to prominent Washington psychiatrist, Dr. Justin Frank, author of “Bush on the Couch: Inside the Mind of the President,” is all too typical of an alcohol-abusing bully who is ruled by fear.
To see that fear emerges, Dr. Frank says, all one has to do is confront the President. “To actually directly confront him in a clear way, to bring him out, so you would really see the bully, and you would also see the fear,” he says.
Dr. Frank, in his book, speculates that Bush, an alcoholic who brags that he gave up booze without help from groups like Alcoholics Anonymous, may be drinking again.
“Two questions that the press seems particularly determined to ignore have hung silently in the air since before Bush took office,” Dr. Frank says. “Is he still drinking? And if not, is he impaired by all the years he did spend drinking? Both questions need to be addressed in any serious assessment of his psychological state.”
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 04:27 PM
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A friend of mine who is a recovering alcoholic said
he is experiencing a 'dry drunk.' Or maybe Cheney is poisoning him!
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Surya Gayatri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 11:10 AM
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131. Dry? I suspect
he may have gone back to the bottle, coke or heavy meds. He's not pasty in the cardiac patient way, but flushed and splotchy. Whatever ails him, it's pretty damn frightening to contemplate the consequences!:scared:
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 12:43 AM
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118. He could become prez
appoint a VP that could take the heat and still remain the Eminence Grise!
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 02:30 AM
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122. Who? Cheney or Bush's health?
:shrug:

Just wondering...in my opinion, they both look awful - always have, but lately both worse than ever....
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NRaleighLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 04:02 PM
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2. Creepy is an understatement - he's aged about 20 years in a few weeks....
his mouth is at a 45 degree slope, he now has a tic like a cow chewing his cud. This is a damaged man (well, used this term loosely) that is it seems barely keeping it together. The troubling thing is wondering what the true brainless trust of this misadministation is up to, esp. if things continue in free fall mode.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 04:04 PM
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4. Heart problems will do that to you.
I've heard that open heart surgery can age you nearly 20 years equivalent. How old does that make Cheney now?
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pbartch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 04:14 PM
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8. How old does that make Cheney in DOG YEARS????
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 02:01 PM
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136. Let's see, that would be woof, woof, woof, woof, woof,...etc. n/t
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funflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 04:22 PM
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19. He's aged 20 since the inaugural last January. He really does look
awful, for such a fit guy. Personally, I think he's really hurt by the utter failure of his big plans. I think he's finally figured out that he's been taken by the neocons and his legacy will be one of the worst, if not the worst, ever.

What scares me is that neocons are not going to give up power in 2008 without a hell of a fight.
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TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 04:29 PM
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36. Cheney was in that hospital outside of Denver in May........
I think it was sometime in May for about a week. The hospital stay was common knowledge here at DU and Huffington Post broke the story, but the MSM never published anything about it.

Maybe Cheney died in that clinic and what we are seeing now is his souless zombie!
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 07:38 PM
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72. Have we actually seen Cheney anywhere lately?
When's the last time he hit the Sunday show talk circuit?

What's the most recent photo?
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 10:27 PM
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108. Didn't he go to Saudi Arabia for the funeral? n/t
that was after the hospital visit. I think the visit was in July.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 02:57 AM
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124. He gave a speech last week
and they are pushing him for 2008!
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 01:11 PM
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135. That's a great idea!
Edited on Sat Aug-27-05 01:15 PM by Kurovski
We'll just have to make sure election fraud is the biggest issue of the campaign.

No one really cares much for the Dickster, he's a cold fish, the original "Big Creep", He's just not a popular dude. That's one--one--of the reasons why they keep him so deeply hidden in the bowels of the Death Star.

Fraud is the only way the old major league asshole will finally "officially" ascend to the office he's actually occupied for the past 5 years.

Edit: Or of course, as Neecy has offered--a coup of another color.
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long_green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 02:48 PM
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138. They can't be serious
there's no way they could steal enough votes to put that Ernst Stavro Blofeld clone over the top. He'd poll in the low forties at best. If the MSM projected him the winner there'd be riots in the streets of every city.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 07:46 PM
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75. That happened decades ago. nt
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jean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 08:50 PM
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83. msm did mention it but said it was Cheney's KNEE being checked out
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sunnystarr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 06:57 PM
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59. I noticed that chin action and couldn't take my eyes off it
kinda like he was turning a page with his chin. It was especially noticable in his speech to the VFW in Salt Lake City. I even recorded most of it cause it was so weird. Then I wondered if it was always there and I didn't notice or if it just started. Anyone else notice this?
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A Brand New World Donating Member (803 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 07:52 PM
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76. He actually started this chin tic back during the debates, I believe the
2nd one. I thought it was really bizarre back then and it has just gotten worse. But I don't watch him that much, can't tolerate the ass! I asked a good friend of mine who's a psychiatric nurse back when this tic first showed up if it is a sign of cocaine usage. This was a subject of discussion on DU back then. She assured me that it wasn't, because she had also seen him do it on TV. I took her word for it but reluctantly because she is a Repub and supports the idiot. I know - I need to find other friends but it's tough in West Central Ohio. You either have Repubs for friends or you have no friends. We have just agreed to not discuss politics, at least not too much.
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sunnystarr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 09:17 PM
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93. I remember his facial tics during the debates but this has gone
beyond that. Maybe because it was like after each sentence with that blank, vacant, look on the rest of his face and then the jaw action. Really weird.
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watercolors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 04:07 PM
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6. Maybe the job is too much
would be nice if he just said I don't want to play anymore. take your marbles and go home georgie!!
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Booster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 06:59 PM
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62. His past work history shows him to be a quitter when the going
gets tough, and I'm positive that's just what he'd like to do right now. But his recent physical showed him to be in great shape; maybe they should do a mental test next.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 08:00 PM
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78. But...but...how do we know we can trust what the docs said? nt
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jbnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 09:41 PM
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98. He did say that soon after the 2004 election
He asked John Kerry to take his place. He told John they could really do it because he knew where the votes were. Sadly it was a Saturday Night Live skit.
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 04:13 PM
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7. Consider his dislike for any disagreement.
Edited on Fri Aug-26-05 04:15 PM by longship
We know he gets testie and short tempered when he hears disagreement. We don't even need anybody inside to know that. His policies since day one in the WH tell the story. O'Neill disagrees, he's gone. Clarke disagrees, he's gone. And so it goes, for the past five years.

Now, the Repugs can no longer hold public opinion. The lies are no longer working. In fact, they are working against him. Their response? More lies, equivocations, and more "dissassembling". They can no longer "catapult the propaganda". Public opinion has sunk so fast and so low, the West Wing has got to be in full panic mode. So what happens? The whole thing comes unhinged. The train is running off the track. The plane is augerring in. (How many more metaphors can I mix into this thing?) Chimpster can't stand it when people disagree with him and he's now got well over half the country against him. He's gotta be close to breakdown.

Who knows what will happen?
:scared: :scared:
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90-percent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 04:22 PM
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21. In drag racing terms:
George is going into hard tireshake before his front wheels leave the beam and he's crossing the centerline and still not lifting.

Immediate disqualification and he's probably going to lose his fuel licence, if he manages to keep it between the guardrails with the shiny side up. He can't backpedal anymore or he'll launch the blower!

-85%
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Geoff R. Casavant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 05:17 PM
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46. And in Star Trek terms
He's got the warp core wired up like a Christmas tree, but he canna' change the laws of physics.
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Sapphocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 10:55 PM
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114. COBOL terms, anyone?
(Forgive the shaky code -- it's been a while.)

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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 08:59 AM
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129. Lol.
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toey Donating Member (568 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 04:16 PM
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9. its the botox going to his head n/t
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 04:16 PM
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10. What, another one?
Somebody (probably me) recently said "the only way to understand politics around here right now is to realize that Canada is a Scandinavian country and the US is in the throes of a right-wing coup."
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 04:17 PM
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11. He's aready in control.
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 04:18 PM
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13. Your post implies that at some point, Bush was actually in charge.
Edited on Fri Aug-26-05 04:19 PM by smoogatz
I don't think that's ever been the case--he's always been the more likeable and telegenic mouthpiece for Cheney, who's actually running the country, God help us. What I think is getting to Bush--and I've noticed this about him in the past--is that reality isn't cooperating with his agenda. I think Bush has so believed the (obvious) myth of his own infallibility that it's almost impossible for him to accept that none of his bold PNAC-inspired initiatives have worked out according to plan. It must suck, on some profound level, to realize that everything you've ever touched has turned to shit.
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Neecy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 04:20 PM
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17. yes, I agree
He's gone along with the Cheney agenda from the first, but now I'm wondering if Cheney hasn't tabled something that even to a freak like Bush is way beyond the pale.

We've heard the Iran/Cheney rumblings for some time now, and I wonder if it hasn't come to a head. Whatever Cheney has up his sleeve, his puppet looks shaken up.
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 04:25 PM
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25. That may be true, I don't know--
but one thing's for sure. There's no getting off the bus for little W at this point. Here's another interesting possibility that occurred to me a few days ago: how many of our current senior military staff, do you suppose, would prefer that the President did NOT order the invasion of anymore countries right now, thank you very much? What are the odds of a military coup, if the order to invade Iran is given?
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 04:41 PM
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42. Almost as bad as on 9/11.
That frozen look on his face during the "Goat" reading looked to me like "Oh my God, they actually did it."
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 07:24 PM
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66. My thoughts, exactly!
Peace.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 04:56 PM
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45. Remember when they floated 'the cheney 4 pres' test balloon a while back
When that went over like a lead zeppelin, they they floated the 'rice 4 pres' test balloon.

IMO, they have been hugely successful in advancing the PNAC agenda. Think of all of the PNACers that are placed in powerful & strategic positions. They are on a roll and do not want to interrupt their flow.

Be afraid. Be very afraid.
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Ouabache Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 02:47 AM
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123. Yeah but they will settle for mccain-Jebthro 08
and their bitch johnnie will be shuffled off quite conveniently like for health reasons just as soon as they pass the timeline where Jebby could finish out johnnys term and have two of his own.

Mark my words. I think this is their only feasible possibility at this point and even it won't even work if Jebby becomes subject to societal Bush-fatigue.
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rockribbedliberal Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 04:27 PM
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31. Dude, well said.
nm
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 04:29 PM
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35. Thanks! nt
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 06:33 PM
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55. He's like Ryan Seacrest. Not really necessary.
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kliljedahl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 10:04 PM
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104. Who's Ryan Seacrest ?
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 10:30 PM
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110. SEE?!!
He's the vain idiot announcer on American Idol. Totallly useless but has an ego anyway.
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kliljedahl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 10:46 PM
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113. Oh. no wonder I don't know.
Never seen it, don't want to. Never seen "Survivor" either. I guess I'm weird.
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catmandu57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 04:18 PM
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14. He already did
Remember that pretzel bruise? I'd bet everything that snalin dick brought a goon or two to the whitehouse to explain to chimpy* how things were going to work.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 04:41 PM
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41. I thought the same thing as well...
Bush was slapped around a bit to get him in line. There was no choking on a pretzel.

Also, I wonder if Bush's absence in the days following 9/11 could have been due to him folding up after the attacks (perhaps he was told "something" would happen to jumpstart their agenda, but not what or to what extent). He came unglued, so they spent the next few days slapping him around to get him to comply with their wishes.
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FormerRepublican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 04:19 PM
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15. Gotta remember...
...that Fitzgerald comes out with his results soon, too.

My bet is the investigation leads straight to Der Fuehrer. That will make 'im want to cry!
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 08:14 PM
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81. My thoughts also. He looks like the gig is up! I wonder if he is talking
to Nixon's picture yet?
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Gay Green Donating Member (485 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 09:06 PM
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91. That reminds me of a SNL episode where Nixon talked to Lincoln's picture
and asked why everyone hated him and were out to get him. And then the picture replied, "because you're such a dip!"

I wonder if Shrub is having the same exact exchange with Nixon's pic?
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 07:01 AM
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126. You just made me smile....
:evilgrin:
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redacted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 12:51 AM
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120. I believe Bushco has already been told of the forthcoming indictments
There have been plenty of leaks from the Fitzgerald camp, probably to prepare the public for the gravity of what's on the way. But we only know of the public leaks. There's a whole other level of leaking they've probably done to Washington insiders, including the White House, and they may already have lined up "embargo until" agreements with certain news organizations in exchange for exclusive interviews.

In addition, it's probably a matter of professional courtesy for attorneys at this level to give defense counsel a reasonable amount of advance notice of impending indictments.
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 04:20 PM
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16. Cheney doesn't have the juice to threaten Dubya
He couldn't get away with it unless Poppy's onboard.
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Jersey Ginny Donating Member (549 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 09:52 PM
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101. Himmler wouldn't have threatened Hitler
They are all scum and have dirt on each other.
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rrrevolution Donating Member (295 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 04:21 PM
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18. It's the drugs, possibly alcohol, mental confusion, etc.
We already know he is taking anti-depressants. He has a history of drinking and denial. He has a personality defect where he cannot admit any mistake, no matter how small.

I think he is generally dissatisfied that the world is not responding the way he wants.

Might be important to know if Cheney is consolidating his hold on power, making decisions that Bush should be making -- but is not since he is on vacation.
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funflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 04:24 PM
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24. What makes you think he's on anti-depressants? I've never heard that.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 04:22 PM
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20. Bush Jr. was a puppet from day one
If you want to get at the puppet masters, you go for the financiers and the influence-peddlers, those with the bankrolls large enough to control the corporate media and influence the public debate.
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90-percent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 04:25 PM
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27. Cheney
I think GWB is freekin because Cheney told him the only way he'll finish his term is a mihop nuclear attack AGAINST HIS OWN PEOPLE!

-85%
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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 05:37 PM
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47. sounds eminently plausible n/t
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 08:54 PM
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86. I don't think that would bother the chimp one bit. He sure doesn't
"freak" when some poor soul in Texas pleads for her life, and he mocks her on television. He thinks WE, THE PEOPLE are totally disposable. You're giving him credit for having feelings for others, which he doesn't have.

:kick:
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 04:23 PM
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22. Bush just this week: "As long as I am President".
n/t
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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 04:23 PM
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23. Didn't I SAY that * is going to RESIGN??? I'm TELLIN' ya...
you've hit the nail on the head.
Anyone want a wager?
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 10:06 PM
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105. Or MAYBE he plans to bag our democracy and be rezidunce for life.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 04:25 PM
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26. He and Herr Busch already did that in December 2000.
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Sunkiss BlueStar Donating Member (232 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 04:26 PM
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28. Im Feelin Ya
Looks like he wants to pass out. Maybe he's taken some sort of counter vaccine for the coming plague.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 04:26 PM
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29. A coup? Why would the puppet master need a coup?
They'll just up Chimpy's meds and all will be well.
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Frederik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 04:27 PM
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32. Maybe it's the other way around
Who's wearing body armor?
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 04:27 PM
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33. did anyone else notice the sore by his eyebrow??
he had another sore or bump by his left eyebrow..another fall perhaps??

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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 02:51 PM
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139. yes, I saw that and wondered about it also
those pretzels are dangerous.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 04:27 PM
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34. I'd heard some rumors from people who'd met with D.C. officials that...
Cheney was to step down within a year of the election and Giuliani was rumored to be selected to take his place.


Haven't heard anything else on that since about Dec/Jan
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Neecy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 04:31 PM
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37. yes, but...
Now Woodward has been floating the idea that Cheney might run in 2008 - ridiculous, given his rock-bottom public approval ratings, but not ridiculous if you want to introduce the idea of Cheney being president before 2008.

I can't quite put it all together, but there's enough there - Iran, the press suddenly turning on him, his odd behavior, the Woodward trial balloon - that it's starting to feel creepy.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 04:33 PM
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39. Cheney doesn't like the attention. Remember how uncomfortable...
he looked during the 2004 campaign?
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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 05:40 PM
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49. he doesn't need an election, he's got Diebold n/t
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Robeysays Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 08:01 PM
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79. it would have to be the speaker of the house.
you don't select a replacement its an order of sucsesion.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 10:09 PM
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106. You might want to check out the 25th Amendment, Section 2.
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NoBushSpokenHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 09:00 PM
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89. I predicted long ago that
Cheney would step down due to health problems, McCain would be appointed VP, Bush would be impeached, or meet with some perilous fate, McCain will appoint Hilary as VP.

and, yes, he appears to be creepier than ever .....and it is very strange that the same media that wouldn't touch the election fraud is covering the Casey Camp and the negative polls for W

Maybe the "corporate media" doesn't have monetary interests in nukes?
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 04:31 PM
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38. not another one!
he already did one in 2000

whoever actuallygives these vermin their orders must be pondering some sort of change.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 04:35 PM
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40. You mean a third one? n/t
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 04:41 PM
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43. Cheney as president, not facing a term limit and a sitting incumbent...
nice plan, Dick. You Dick.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 05:39 PM
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48. Ya can't fire yourself.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 05:56 PM
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50. I think its the Fitzgerald shadow of Impending Doom!!!
Bush and his buddies have been caught by the world

His Polls are making him very vulnerable and the FBI CIA and Military are rebelling!!!

And theres the fight of the NeoCons verses the Republicans!!!

Its amazing how the pressure is making him crumble mentally!!!

Cheney wants martial law and Bush is he ready to take over this country and trash democracy stay tuned people!!!
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mogster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 05:58 PM
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51. Here's a pic - just insert drool where you want it


To be totally honest, I don't know when this picture was taken. But it was used in a Norw. paper recently, and he looks...well... unusually empty-headed, even for Bush.
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jean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 08:54 PM
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84. ya know... thank god for the foreign press - ours misses the mark
by a mile every time. This is a good and telling picture. Oh - just last week we had to get that pix of the vet wearing the bullshit protectors from the Canadian press ...
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 09:11 PM
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92. I've said this before...something is REALLY wrong with his left eye...
I noticed this before. It's really staggering to notice this and pay attention to it while he's speaking.

I swear to God--Bush's left eye is damaged or maybe he has a glass eye. That eye and the pupil/iris look different, and sometimes larger than the right. It moves differently.

It appears fake. It looks dead

This picture highlights the fact that something is really wrong with that left eye.

Put your hands over the picture--so you can only see the eyes. Something is amiss.

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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 10:38 PM
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111. Maybe that's why he's always falling off his freakin' bicycle!
He can't see!
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KerryOn Donating Member (899 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 06:03 PM
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52. I think most of it is stress....
With only 38% supporting the war in Iraq, and his lies well exposed, he is a lost man. He craves and lives for power and since he no longer has the majority (or at least half) on his side he has no feeling of control.

Being president has got to be the most stressful job there can be, and because of the mess he created for himself with his lies, he is under an unusual amount of stress. It would probably be better described as anxiety.

But perhaps it goes a little deeper than that. Perhaps he was directly involved with the Rove/Plame/Blame game and Fitzgerald has uncovered enough to hang him. Wishful thinking? - Perhaps
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bluedonkey Donating Member (644 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 06:12 PM
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53.  Randi said today
* lost it at th VFW speech after he saw the old vets with the 'bullshit protectors'.He was cursing and threatened them,called them MF's etc.
Anybody knows about his?
I guess he knows about his falling poll numbers too.Boo ffn Hoo!
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 07:04 PM
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63. Waaaaaaa?
Now that should be confirmed. If true, it's very weird.

By the way, I have looked high and low for those things. Can't find them anywhere. Haha.
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 08:09 PM
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80. Here's a link to a version of those ear protectors
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 09:57 PM
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102. OMG! Ask and ye shall receive..... BS Detectors!
Edited on Fri Aug-26-05 09:59 PM by Gregorian
Gee thanks. But I really don't need them. DU has taught me everything I need to know. Then again, if I ever attend a bush function, it would make a wonderful gesture.

Edit- Aha, deflectors! Not detectors. Oh, I've got to have these along with a gas mask.
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 10:24 PM
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107. Essential wear at a wingnutty event
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 08:29 PM
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82. Bullshit protectors?
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 10:28 PM
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109. That is a GREAT website.
The Jesus spot is quite good.
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redacted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 01:44 AM
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121. You mean this report from CHB?
BUSH'S OBSCENE TIRADES RATTLE WHITE HOUSE AIDES

By Doug Thompson
Aug 25, 2005, 06:19

While President George W. Bush travels around the country in a last-ditch effort to sell his Iraq war, White House aides scramble frantically behind the scenes to hide the dark mood of an increasingly angry leader who unleashes obscenity-filled outbursts at anyone who dares disagree with him.

“I’m not meeting again with that goddamned bitch,” Bush screamed at aides who suggested he meet again with Cindy Sheehan, the war-protesting mother whose son died in Iraq. “She can go to hell as far as I’m concerned!”

Bush, administration aides confide, frequently explodes into tirades over those who protest the war, calling them “motherfucking traitors.” He reportedly was so upset over Veterans of Foreign Wars members who wore “bullshit protectors” over their ears during his speech to their annual convention that he told aides to “tell those VFW assholes that I’ll never speak to them again is they can’t keep their members under control.”

White House insiders say Bush is growing increasingly bitter over mounting opposition to his war in Iraq. Polls show a vast majority of Americans now believe the war was a mistake and most doubt the President’s honesty.

“Who gives a flying fuck what the polls say,” he screamed at a recent strategy meeting. “I’m the President and I’ll do whatever I goddamned please. They don’t know shit.”

more
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7267.shtml

(BTW, William Pitt has conveyed in this forum his doubts about CHB's credibility. The magazine's track record nonwithstanding, to me this report sounds absolutely plausible.)
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 06:21 PM
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54. Too late! The Bloodless Coup was in 2000. They have the Seat of Power.
The Patriot Act protects the coup. How can Congress act against Bush and Cheney or even send Federal Marshalls To arrest them. When George Bush is the Only person on earth with the ability to declare someone, everyone, and enemy Combatant. Let the Conundrum begin!

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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 06:36 PM
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56. As another poster correctly said, Bush is starting to look like Gollum
pining away for "My Preciousssssss". Even his ears are starting to look pointed and his nose is getting longer and hanging down, like a character from Middle Earth. Don't his ears look pointed? Maybe he's lost the ring of power and his age is catching up to him in a hurry.



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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 06:58 PM
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61. Reminded me of this:


This is not my work, and I saved it without an attribute.
Whoever did this is very good, and if you are reading, THANKS!
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hvn_nbr_2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 07:21 PM
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65. The nose getting longer is the Pinnochio effect. n/t
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jean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 08:55 PM
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87. shouldn't that flag emblem be over his dark heart? He looks
positively rosy and glowing in this picture.
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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 10:40 PM
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112. Damn...you are right! Especially in that second picture!
Shrubby looks just like Gollum!

"Wake up, sleepies...time to ride our bi-cycles!"
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 03:08 AM
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125. He is wearing so much makeup in those photos
It's caked on - he looks like a televangelist.
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 09:15 AM
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130. bush gollum...

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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 08:35 PM
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143. AAAIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!! My...EYES!!!
It burns....it freezes.

That one needed its own warning, precious.
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 06:53 PM
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57. He does HATE being confronted
Maybe Cindy is having more of an effect than we realize.

I don't think Cheney needs/wants anymore power than he has. I think he likes it how it is. He doesn't have to put on a smiley face and act nice.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 06:56 PM
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58. YES. Buchanan thinks so, and I agree. Check this link.
http://www.amconmag.com/2005_08_01/article3.html

<snip>

In Washington it is hardly a secret that the same people in and around the administration who brought you Iraq are preparing to do the same for Iran. The Pentagon, acting under instructions from Vice President Dick Cheney’s office, has tasked the United States Strategic Command (STRATCOM) with drawing up a contingency plan to be employed in response to another 9/11-type terrorist attack on the United States. The plan includes a large-scale air assault on Iran employing both conventional and tactical nuclear weapons. Within Iran there are more than 450 major strategic targets, including numerous suspected nuclear-weapons-program development sites. Many of the targets are hardened or are deep underground and could not be taken out by conventional weapons, hence the nuclear option. As in the case of Iraq, the response is not conditional on Iran actually being involved in the act of terrorism directed against the United States. Several senior Air Force officers involved in the planning are reportedly appalled at the implications of what they are doing—that Iran is being set up for an unprovoked nuclear attack—but no one is prepared to damage his career by posing any objections.
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 07:37 PM
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71. oh man, is that scary
As in the case of Iraq, the response is not conditional on Iran actually being involved in the act of terrorism directed against the United States.

So another 2+2=5 or 9-11=Iran.




Cher
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 07:45 PM
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74. They've burned the troops on the ground, no one is left to fight.
That's why Invisible Dick wants to use nukes.

It's their only option.

I'm as sure that this will happen as I was when Iraq happened.

:scared:
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 09:05 PM
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90. The Iranians are sapping Cheney's precious bodily fluids,
Mien Fuhrer! I can walk!
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 08:55 AM
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128. one lone nut
Desperate and in charge of the red phone: Cheney.

And we're the targets.

What a perverse way the cold war turned out.




Cher
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PatrioticLeftie Donating Member (909 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 06:58 PM
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60. I think...
He's in relapse. I think he's worried about his approval ratings and all the people who hate him. Maybe he's starting to lose his nerve.
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hvn_nbr_2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 07:17 PM
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64. Month-long vacation
I think he's been on the verge of a breakdown (either physical or mental) for some time. I think the month-long vacation is on either doctor's orders or cooler heads' orders. Someone probably has secret veto authority over his use of the red button and certain other powers, as they did when Nixon was cracking.
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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 07:25 PM
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67. Fitzgerald has been closing in, suffocating Cheney...pressuring his Aide:
Edited on Fri Aug-26-05 07:57 PM by tiptoe
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BamaBecky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 07:30 PM
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68. I think that's his issue also.....he is scared!!!!!!!!!!!n/t
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jane_pippin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 07:33 PM
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69. I think he wants a stiff drink and is pissed that he can't have one.
Edited on Fri Aug-26-05 07:34 PM by jane_pippin
I don't for a second believe that Cindy, the polls, and mass protests wherever he goes are having no effect on him or that he is unaware of them, despite his best efforts. I think he's insecure, can't handle criticism, failure, or confrontation. That's all staring at him everywhere he goes, it's all of his own doing, and he knows it.


on edit: by "he" I mean *. (I know some of the "he's" on here have meant Cheney--just to clarify my post).

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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 07:34 PM
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70. Beware the bounce
Such observations directly preceded calmaitous "fixes" such as 9/11, the 2004 "miracle" mandate. Preceding the 'bounce' Bush's demeanor returned to calm cockiness and generally a poor cover for the fact that he knew another planeload of opportunity was flying in.

So I personally would be worried that- nothing visible to us on the horizon- Bush suddenly recovered his smirky poise.

As to guessing, well, we need desperately to KNOW for sure what is going on in the circle of darkness because it certainly won't be to the benefit of anyone except them and their agenda.
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MadisonProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 07:42 PM
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73. Maybe he is inbetween meds - he may be
transitioning from Prozac to Zanax...
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 07:53 PM
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77. Oh c'mon you made it too easy
Has anyone else noticed this creepy vibe about him lately?


LATELY? From the uber Reptillian master of doom and death himself? ROFLMAO & peeing my shorts.

Also planning a COUP? He's already calling all the shots.

Bush not behind the war in Iran>hah. They didn't pick an idiot son for nothing, if believes everything they tell him and I wonder if there isn't a chip installed somewhere. What WAS that thing in his back during the debates anyway?

Photoshoppers step in.
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Mich Otter Donating Member (887 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 08:54 PM
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85. It is my belief that the Republican reign in Washington is soon over...
unless Bush dies or has a serious injury before 2008.
I believe these Republicans are interested in no one but themselves and are getting desperate to continue to rule.
What do they care if they have to kill Bush to maintain power? After all, weren't the Republicans appointed by a god to rule? Anyone appointed by a god can do whatever they want, can't they?
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Neecy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 09:26 PM
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95. It's interesting....
Whenever you hear a Republican trumpet the concept of a 'permanent majority' it always brings to mind the 'thousand year Reich' boast.

It's amazing, really, how much these guys have taken out of the ol' vaterland playbook.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 09:00 PM
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88. It's not a crazy idea at all
I wouldn't put this or some other version past Cheney at all. :scared: of that man.
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 09:23 PM
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94. Bush clearly has a Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
Like all Narcissists he is unable to face any challenge to his "self assumed" superiority. Reality in Iraq and the growing protests are becoming undeniable even for Bush. Right now he is the most dangerous single human to have ever inhabited the planet. As American's trun on Bush he will turn on them. I suspect some close to Bush are now realizing what the many of us have observed, and are worried about their political future as Bush falls into the depths.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 09:38 PM
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96. I haven't seen much different about him.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 09:45 PM
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99. Nervous because he knows of another wag the dog coming (nuclear)?
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 09:47 PM
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100. So do you think that Bush
playing Darth Vader to Cheney's Emperor will in the end turn from the dark side to save his children and destroy his master?
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Neecy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 10:01 PM
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103. you know...
It's scary to admit it, but Bush may be all that stands between us and Cheney's Iranian nuclear winter.

And yeah, that scares the shit out of me. I don't think he's capable of doing the right thing.
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 07:05 AM
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127. yes..let's pray for the president.
:shrug: :nuke: :hide:
And for a miracle?
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 11:50 PM
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115. Lately?
Edited on Fri Aug-26-05 11:51 PM by mvd
I always get creepy vibes from him. He's Palpatine all over again - that's why Palpatine is a hard villian to watch. It's possible, but Bush** hasn't proven to me that he has any conscience yet. Cheney's really been the mastermind behind the right wing coup, and possibly knew stuff about 9/11 that Bush didn't. That Kean commission was a joke, and the coverup worked more methodically than defenses did on the morning of 9/11.
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oxbow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 11:55 PM
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116. You can tell how stressed out * is by how much he's exercising
that's his way of dealing with anxiety/other negative emotions...he just wears himself out on the bike or running track. I don't think he's developed other, healthier ways of dealing with anxiety. Same reason for his alcoholism back in the day, and religous fundamentalism today. It's all about self-control.
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Danascot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 12:39 AM
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117. See Justin Frank's piece in HuffPo
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/justin-frank/pedaling-as-fast-as-he-ca_b_6246.html

"Bush himself said that he doesn't do nuance. The truth is, he can't. Evading anxiety over all these years – whether with alcohol, religion, or exercise – has compromised his ability to think. Instead, Bush relies on daily routines. His bicycling routine is rigidly adhered to; but thinking—and a mechanism to facilitate it—are nonexistent."
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 12:45 AM
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119. the "gig" is up
Edited on Sat Aug-27-05 12:52 AM by Blue_Roses
he's been found out. He is and always has been a fuck up. You can't change someone from the outside in. Bush never changed from the inside out.
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GoBlue Donating Member (930 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 11:13 AM
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132. Cheney out Bush? Not a Chance.
Cheney take Bush out? Perhaps. But probably not without KKKarl's help. /:tinfoilhat:?
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Meldread Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 11:54 AM
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133. He is experiencing a 'Nixon'.
What you see are the effects of stress. Put yourself into his position. He was banking on an easy victory in Iraq. He didn't get it. He lied to get us in there. Plame scandal is bubbling and it's only a matter of time before that explodes. Iraq War public support is falling, his public support is falling...

He just can't hold everything together anymore. Every time the dam of truth would crack, he'd plug the leak. However, one lie lead to another and another and another... now the entire dam is full of cracks and is bursting at the seams. It's only a matter of time before the whole damn thing explodes and he knows it. He is a control freak and knowing that he cannot prevent the inevitable terrifies him.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 12:08 PM
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134. i've totally noticed this vibe. i think you're right that he's got inside
trouble. now is the time for people to start attacking him to save their own butts -- no doubt. i think he's being hung out to dry and i don't doubt for a minute that there's stacks and stacks of incrimination against him. you could pick your flavor -- drug use; political payback; insider trading -- you name it, he's done it, and someone knows where the dirt is in order to keep him in line.

back to your intuition -- i think he's in a corner and people are distancing themselves from him. it's almost like his "crack team" of PRove advisors have disappeared. he's twisting in the wind. going to idaho to find a pro-war mom was just LAME -- not the upscale propaganda we are used to.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 03:06 PM
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140. How about this for a reason.....
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Chomskyite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 03:25 PM
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141. There would be Republican defectors from non-Southern states
in Congress, plus your occasional Richard Shelbyss, Lindsay Grahahms, and John Warner who have show slight indepedent streaks. These three have a lot of respect on the hill and I cant see any of them allowing a Cheney coup and then a march on Tehran and the draft that would include.

It would end the Republican Party as a force in American politics for decades to come. So I hope Cheney tries it. But he is a tactical realist if not a strategic one.

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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 03:55 PM
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142. It's crazy.
That's what I used to believe before 911.

Nothing is out of the realm of possibility now
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