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Homer12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 08:51 PM
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"So-Called Conservatives"
I was able to do this as a guest post on this Blog: http://community.livinglakecountry.com/blogs/the_hypatian_shore/default.aspx

It's just some of my memories and what I thought conservatism meant in the 1990's and what it means today. And how I deal with Bush Nationalist conservatives now.

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One would think in today's virulent and seething partisanship that a lefty like myself would actually prefer the hatred by the Rightwing of the Clinton's and anything liberal in the 1990's. In some way's the hatred against Clinton was less destructive and did not have the mantel of executive power to perpetuate it to its constitutionally destructive ends. Sure Clinton had a little military adventurism and Monica, but he didn't lie to invade Iraq, trash the bill of rights, illegally spy on American citizens, okay the use of torture, let the CIA set up secret prisons, radicalize the Department of Justice, raise the national debt, inflate the size of government, etc…….


The primary difference between Bush-era conservatism and Clinton-era conservatism was that the hypocrisy was hidden and we (I) took their conservative rhetoric hook-line-and sinker and I "a dreaded Liberal". I actually took the Newt Gingrich's and Bob Barr's at their word. You know what they said, "Fiscal Responsibility, Personal Responsibility, Against Nation Building, Smaller Government, etc……" In the Bush-era, all of these "so-called conservative" standards that they pushed were all a lie (BTW - Newt and Barr were having affairs of their own during the Clinton Impeachment).


Now, I never turned into a conservative unlike that opportunist cry-baby Charlie Sykes in the mid 90's, but at the time and still at this time some of what they said was right. The one ethic I took most to heart is the ethic of "Personal Responsibility". In a way, the late Clinton period tempered my Liberalism, which I am glad I went through. This period allowed me to actually realize that Bill Clinton as President was wrong, now I don't think his lying about Monica was impeachable, but it was ethically and morally despicable. I will not defend his actions at the time. Nor will I defend Jim Jeffords for taking Bribes, nor will I defend Eliot Spizter, I will not defend politicians or leaders on the left for being hypocrites and liars. I will not defend or rationalize Obama's FISA vote, nor his faith based initiative. In my view they are wrong. I will not defend somebody just because of their political label and party affiliation.


Today this hypocrisy is no longer subterfuge, all of the excuses and scapegoats have been used, all the anger and hatred has become a caricature in popular culture, critics have been beaten into the dirt and lives ruined, the deliberate use of misleading or wrong information to obfuscate reality, the use of seething hateful tactics to destroy ANYBODY who disagrees, to defend blindly these "so-called conservative" ethics, while not living by those standards and ethics themselves. The virulent blind defense of Bush and Republican Corruption is antithetical to the conservative standard of personal responsibility I was reminded constantly by conservatives in the 1990’s.


The conservative standards of personal liberty and responsibility mean nothing in the Bush-era, with this zealotus rage to crush a "liberal" by any means necessary, to defend what irresponsible, criminal, and anti-constitutional actions carried out by the Bush Administration. The win-at-any-cost and power-for-powers-sake philosophy has effectively destroyed what conservatism was supposed to mean in the 1990's. For instance, Kosovo: even though I disagreed with the Republicans in congress they were still loyal opposition and the conservative standard was against Nation Building, and they still were not traitors. Today, Nation building is fine because Bush is president and 9/11 happened???? Hunh??


This hypocrisy is out in the open due to the zealous hatred of critics, the willingness to close eyes and minds to reality, and the willingness to trample over conservative standards for the blind defense of Bush and Republican corruption.


So when I hear people declare themselves as "conservative", I have to ask what kind of conservative?


The one that uses 9/11 as an end-all-be-all excuse for trampling on the bill of rights and constitution and torture or the zealot who's hatred for anybody with a different point of view manifests itself with personal attacks and dehumanization of that person. Or the kind that states "Liberals are as bad as terrorists" or that "Liberals are destroying America!" When I hear these words it is funny in a tragic way, but also impels me to hold these "so-called conservatives" responsible for their actions, hold them responsible for their words.


So this is were it stands, if a statement is made against liberals that has extreme implications, you better be able to back it up with evidence and be able to take responsibility for what you write.


Freedom of speech does not free people from the consequences of the content of what they say. At least this is something I keep hearing from “so-called conservatives.”

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Karl_Bonner_1982 Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-09-08 02:39 AM
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1. That's because they aren't conservatives
They are hard-line reactionaries, with a strong authoritarian streak. If they're not Fascists then at least they use similar tactics.
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earthdragon Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 12:45 PM
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2. McCain part of the Keating 5
McCain was a major player in the Keating 5. I don't know how to publish links, but could someone post the link on Wikipedia for Keating 5. McCain shouldn't even be a nominee.
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dassix Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 04:38 PM
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3. a little off from military conservatives...
I was watching cnn and a letter sent in was wonderful - even though it was written by a conservative.

something in the realm of:
"When I joined the republicans years ago it was mainly because they knew how to pay the bills on-time and keep spending down. Now they claim democrats have no economic sense, yet the conservatives continue to throw all the bills onto a chinese credit card."
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neutraltolearn Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 10:58 PM
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4. Great points of hypocrisy
I love this post. I would like to see you spar with this one: http://thebluffingtonboast.blogspot.com/
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tonycastro5000 Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 05:22 PM
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7. Need help to bring republicans to Obama's side.
Can people write some messages to help bring republicans to Obama's side. They must be well reasoned, logical, and genuine undeniable truth, no hate words, and they must be less than under 200 characters. Im open to all suggestions and messages. Thank you.
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