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Dying Eagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 08:06 PM
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I just hate Bush
ABB, I can;'t make it any more simple then that, i truly hate that man......Opps, Now I'm on Ashcrofts Terrorist list.
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DebJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 08:09 PM
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1. don't worry. they'll be hitting my house first. I'll give you advanced
warning. My daughter works for FINCEN, a division of the Treasury Dept started to investigate terrorist activities, for example, monitor the flow of money. I am very proud of her and what she does, and she does well....but you know to get security clearance they check on the family, too. I'm sure a Magic Lantern has all my keystrokes, ha ha!
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ashling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-04 07:56 AM
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29. My mom
died of cancer in 1973. When Nixon's Enemies List was publicized she was pissed off that she wasn't on it.
I figure If I can make it onto Ashcroft's list that will go a little way to making things right.

:argh:
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sweettater Donating Member (674 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 08:12 PM
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2. Me too
I have a question.....has the AWOL issue regarding bush off the radar screen? Haven't heard or read much since Friday. Like my sister said, the damage has been done. But I would like to see it pursued further.
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lovedems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 08:34 PM
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3. I generally can't say his name without
fucking (fill in the blank) before it. Fucking idiot, fucking bastard. My language has gone down the toilet since he was selected. Maybe I will run that one by some of my "moral majority friends". He is bad for society because he makes people say bad words.

I try to control myself but sometimes I just can't.
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 08:13 PM
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4. Affirmative
even our cat hates bush.
Maybe "hate" is not strong enough a word.
Loathing and comtempt are there as well.

I was underwhelmed with him when he was getting his ticket punched as Governor.
Cant say I like ANY of them.
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boobooday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 09:02 PM
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5. Ashcroft's list is the place to be
All the grooviest people are there!

http://www.wgoeshome.com

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AlFrankenFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 10:24 PM
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6. Ashcroft is living in my attic hehe
I snapped earlier this year from being critical of him to hating him so much I wanted to...well, if I type it Ashcroft'll drop out of my air conditioning ducts and strangle me.
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togiak Donating Member (114 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 02:34 AM
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7. Even my 6 year old daughter doesn't like him
Everytime she sees him she says "I don't like Bush, I like Clinton".
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rhino47 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 08:04 AM
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26. Hiya Tog Welcome to DU
:hi: :hi: :kick: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi:
well 6 year old just says Bush sucks.
*sigh* potty mouth already but pretty much says it all though.
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chemicalboy Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 08:42 PM
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8. Hate filled Democrats
Its refreshing to know that there are still some hate filled democrats left. It Almost brings a tear to my eye.

By the way If you didn't notice, thats sarcasm.
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mstrsplinter326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 11:00 PM
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9. Dumb
Emotion is what the majority of the American citizenry lacks, why be a hater? Instead of waisting your time with such comments, work towards changing things into what you want.
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-04 11:31 AM
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10. Nah, I STILL hate Bush
I don't think that will ever change. It would go against all my principles.
Its kind of like being English in the early 19th Cent and NOT hating Napoleon.
Only Bush is more like the last Romanov Tsar, than Bonapart.
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Lis Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-04 11:53 AM
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11. I hate Bush
and I'm proud of it.
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TOhioLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 10:56 PM
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18. Hi Lis.
Edited on Mon Mar-08-04 10:57 PM by trekkerlass
Welcome to DU!

Cool website.

Trekkerlass
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rhino47 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 08:05 AM
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27. Hiya Lis Welcome to DU
:kick: like the site .:hi:
:hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi:
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LDS Jock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 06:11 AM
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30. welcome.. and..
the website brought a smile to my face. love the name of it :D
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woodstockjimi Donating Member (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 01:20 AM
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36. Hi Lis...
WELCOME... i haven't been welcomed with such opened arms, but i certainly want to you make feel welcome dear. Quick question, why do you hate BUSH so bad? Just curious to hear YOUR answer.
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BEZARK Donating Member (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 08:00 AM
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31. Bush is more a two-bit type, a Mussolini
A swaggering blustering egocentric buffoon, laughed at by his betters, who attacks semihelpless dusty far-away places to build his new empire and create his "legacy." Il Dube.
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Catfight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-04 07:58 PM
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43. Bush is more like Commodus
Marcus' greatest trial was his son Commodus, who succeeded him in a disastrous reign that rivalled Nero's for corruption and cruelty. One report of Marcus' death suggests he was poisoned by doctors acting on Commodus' behalf.

Commodus was, so it was rumoured, the son of one of the gladiators whom Marcus' wife Faustina took for lovers. According to his biographer, Commodus was "base, shameless, cruel, lecherous, defiled and debauched." While his father sold his own property to serve the empire, the son milked the empire to enrich himself. He frequently took part in the circus as a secutor (sword-man), and considered himself part of the gladiators' corps. He shared the same birthday, and the same interests in brutal sadism, as Caligula.

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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 01:31 AM
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37. I only hope he suffers the same fate as
the last Romanov Tsar. Joke, mods, not to be taken seriously..ha ha :evilgrin:
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smcmike Donating Member (48 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 09:34 PM
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12. Who doesn't?
I think among liberals it's ok to talk about our hatred of that monkey of a man, as a sort of support group for these ridiculous times, but when we talk to people on the outside, pictures of bush as hitler make us look worse than him.
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LiberalPersona Donating Member (679 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 09:41 PM
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13. Me too
He's the worst president we've ever had.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 07:22 PM
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14. Not to worry... they are using intelligence provided by Tenet
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JPace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 04:54 PM
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15. Hate?
I think you are being polite! About 50% of Dems
"hate" AWOL. I read an article today that when
Dems describe AWOL they often use four letter
words that are far more potent than hate.

I did not "like" his father, but I HATE AWOL!
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 01:58 PM
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16. Oooh! All this hate!

I am very concerned for George, and let me make it perfectly clear that I have only his best interests at heart. I am worried that he does not seem to be well: he is under so much stress he can't concentrate enough to read, and he often has trouble even talking right. Perhaps he did not bring enough of his own friends with him to Washington: most of his advisers are his father's. Can't we unite in a spirit of loving compassion to send him back home, where he can be nurtured by people who really care about him?
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Patman Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 07:41 PM
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17. Me Too!!!
I'm sorry, but I have to agree. I HATE Dubya. I realize that hate is a strong, wrong emotion...but I can't help it! All I have to do is imagine his vapid, smirking face and it makes me have bad thoughts. I'll pray for strength, but I think the best answer is just to find another President. I'm voting for ABE this year; Any Body Else.
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rhino47 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 08:03 AM
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25. Hiya Patman Welcome to DU
:hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :kick:
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American liberal Donating Member (915 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 11:38 PM
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19. Count me in...
I thought his dad was bad. I thought Reagan was going to be the end of Democracy as we know it, but that Bush Co DWEEB makes his dad and Reagan look...well, moderate!

As often as I post and talk about my displeasure of the current regime, I would not be surprised to be on a list somewhere. Whatever...


BTW, I found this site by accident, ironically through freerepublic.org. I was doing research about gun control and freerepublic kept coming up on my searches. I checked out the site, gagged on a couple of posts, then began preparing to infiltrate and post some stuff that would really piss them off. Instead, I looked up the DU those witless neanderthals kept dissing, knowing it would be my kind of place...and sure 'nough!!! I feel like I have come home.

Bless you all... Although I was a Dean supporter, I have made a firm commitment to the ABBA party (Anybody But Bush Again!) in 2004. And although I know nothing about Kerry, a couple of savvy analysts thought he or Edwards would stand the best chance to beat Bush Co. in Nov. But like someone else mentioned, they could put up an amoeba against Dubya and I'd vote for it.

Out the Door in 2004!!!!

Peace!
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American liberal Donating Member (915 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 11:25 PM
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21. boy, what a welcoming bunch...NOT!
Hi there.
I'm new to this site. appreciate most of what I've read and hope to offer some of my own color commentary.
at least ya'll don't seem to talk in some weird militia code like they did on freerepublic.org.
Peace!
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Rex Mundi Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 02:51 AM
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22. Not an ABBA fan
True enough (shudder) ...musical preferences aside, let me say I'm new here...just checking things out. I'm always hearing this ABBA attitude and it strikes me as a difficult position to defend (OK, this is where my philosophy background gets me in trouble). We won't vote for Dubya because of what we know, but then we'll vote for anyone else regardless of what we don't know? Just wondering if anyone else has the same thought process...or not....Discuss.
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number6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 06:04 PM
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39. what's ABBA? so are you votin fer Bu$h ?
"We won't vote for Dubya because of what we know," yes exactly

"but then we'll vote for anyone else regardless of what we don't know?"
well I think "we" know what were voting for...

its like Rummy's unknown knowns u know
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rhino47 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 08:01 AM
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24. Hi American Liberal Welcome to DU
:hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi:
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American liberal Donating Member (915 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 02:25 PM
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32. hi Rhino
thanks for the welcome. it was feeling a little chilly in here.
Peace! :)
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bkohatl Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 07:52 AM
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23. Why I hate Bush, HATE.
Edited on Wed Mar-10-04 08:45 AM by bkohatl
I am not gay, but I do not want hate written into the US Constitution. I personally believe that marriage is a religious institution. In my Church, I'm Catholic, it is a relationship between a man and a woman. I don't expect members of other Churches to follow my beliefs. I do not think that I have that right. I do not expect atheists, agnostics or others to follow my beliefs. Freedom isn't what you let yourself do, it is what you let the people who disagree with you do. RFK

Hate was in the US Constitution once before.
Southern Whites from the Bible Belt wrote that African-American's were 3/5 of a human being. Even as a kid I knew that Adolf Hitler wasn't the first person to believe in Master Races and Subhumans.

It took over one million lives and 200 years to get hate out of the US Constitution.
It is so easy to teach hate, preach hate and live hate. George W. Bush needs a gimmick for re-election. He has chosen hate.

'First they came for the Communists, but I was not a Communist, so I said nothing. Then they came for the Social Democrats, but I was not a Social Democrat, so I did nothing. Then came the trade unionists, but I was not a trade unionist. And then they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew, so I did little. Then when they came for me, there was no one left to stand up for me.' Pastor Niemöller, Germany 1937

He had another such fit of rage at Pastor Niemöller in 1937. Niemöller had once again delivered a rebellious sermon in Dahlem ; at the same time transcripts of his tapped telephone conversations were presented to Hitler. In a bellow, Hitler ordered Niemöller to be put in a concentration camp and, since he had proven himself to be incorrigible, kept there for life. Pastors and Priests were then sent to camps for their dissidence and by 1938 the country had been declared free of the church.’ (p. 98)
Excerpt from Inside the Third Reich: The Memoirs of Albert Speer

A couple of days ago I was watching CNN. The guest was talking about Michael Moore("Bowling for Columbine") and the Columbine Massacre and what the real lesson was. I live in the south. When people here talk about Columbine, they talk about Born Again Christian Martyrs. I never believed that that was the lesson of Columbine. I believe that is a gimmick that Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, Franklin Graham(Billy's Son) and Bob Jones III use to raise funds. Just one man's opinion.
This guest spoke words that resonated with me. She said that Klebold and Harris wrote suicide notes before they went to Columbine that day. They never intended to walk away, they intended to commit suicide. They didn't intend to make money and their notes gave no indication of any desire for fame, even in posterity.
They wanted revenge against the kids who bullied them: Klebold and Harris were teased, taunted, tormented and tortured. That is what bullying is. They were constantly called faggots by jocks and the normal kids. Teachers saw the bullying and wrote it off as "boys being boys" or "girls being girls". It isn't, BULLYING is TORTURE, period end of discussion. I don't just believe that; I know it. I was bullied for being Catholic as a kid, one of my best friends was bullied for being Jewish. Being the victim of bullying/torture either turns you into one of "them", or their undying opponent.

If you ever wonder why European Schools are better than ours, this would be my first reason. Bullying is used constantly in the south to spread religion, especially in the public schools. Gays are not human beings in the South, they are Faggots. High School Football is not the favorite extra-curicular sport in the Bible Belt, torturing Faggots is.
And you should remember Children aren't quite as discerning as they should be when it comes to bullying/torture. A kid with a speaking impediment is as likely to be tortured as someone gay. I have been out of school for a long time, but I can't imagine that life is very pleasant for any of the 7,000,000 Americans who happen to be Moslems and live in the Bible Belt. I guess you don't live in the Bible Belt if you aren't a Born Again Christian, you survive, until you don't. Freedom is just a word in the South.

When Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore put the 10 Commandments in the Supreme Court Building he did it in the middle of the night. His Church wanted the 10 Commandments there, in that place, and by-God nobody was going to stop him. He said he was standing up for Freedom....Funny that is exactly what a Dictator would say...His definition of Freedom is exactly what Saddam Hussein, Adolf Hitler, Kim Il Sung say it is: What I want is the only thing that counts, shut-up and do as I say...

In years past African-Americans, Jews, Catholics have been bullied/tortured in the schools of the south. Many people good people around the world objected(Philadelphia, Mississippi is proof of what Southerners thought of the people who campaigned against racism and intolerance; God Bless Goodman, Cheney and Schwerner); fortunately it has mostly stopped. But when George W. Bush or Ronald Reagan, or one of the Preacher's of Hate preaches the sermons of hate today, there are still the same horrible consequences.

Another story from last year of why we must stop bullying/torture.

CBS) On Jan. 2, 2002, seventh grader J. Daniel Scruggs was found hanging by a tie in his closet – dead by his own hand at the age of 12.

The small town of Meriden, Conn., was stunned by one of the youngest suicides in state history, especially when it became known that Daniel was the victim of relentless bullying.

But the story took an unexpected twist when the question of who is to blame moved from the schoolyard into Daniel’s own home, and then into a court of law.

And while there may be enough blame to spread around, there’s only one person being prosecuted, and it’s the person you’d least expect – the little boy’s mother. Judith Scruggs talks with Correspondent Vicki Mabrey in an exclusive interview.
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From the outside, there is little remarkable about the house in Meriden, Conn., where 12 year-old Daniel Scruggs was growing up with his sister, Kara, and his mother, Judith, after they were left by his father when Daniel was 3 months old.

On a January afternoon last year, his mother stopped home between her two jobs.

“I went home. Checked the mail. Asked my daughter where her brother was. And so she went into his room and found him in the closet. He'd hung himself,” says Scruggs. “Best as we can figure, he killed himself around 3 or 4 o'clock in the morning. So he'd been hanging there all day.”

Scruggs says she hadn’t seen him that morning.

“I went to bed with two kids in the house. I got up with the assumption I still had two kids in the house,” says Scruggs, who went off to work that morning. “Unknowing that he was … he was hanging in the closet.”

Why would a little boy who’d just turned 12 take his own life? His mother says she knew her son was having trouble fitting in. He was tiny, weighing only 63 pounds, and although he was exceptionally smart with a high IQ, he had a learning disability.

“He was a typical 12 year-old. He was small for his age. He was into science and magic,” says Scruggs.

“People would push him off bleachers, put ‘kick me’ signs on his back, push him around and yell at him,” adds Melissa Smith, who went to Washington Middle School with Daniel.

Melissa says he was a lonely kid who was tormented at school. The other kids say he wore mismatched clothes, acted strangely and smelled like he rarely bathed. He was hit, kicked, spit on, laughed at, thrown down a flight of stairs, and sometimes made to eat his lunch off the cafeteria floor.

“Every day, every day, he was in school he was bullied," says Melissa. “Sometimes teachers would tell the bullies to stop, but other times, they would just dismiss it. They would act like nothing was going on.”
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Daniel’s mother worked at the school as a teacher’s aide and says she complained. But she says she was shocked after his death when she found out how severe the bullying really was.

“He didn't wanna bathe. He tried to use this as an excuse not to go to school. ‘Well, I didn't take a shower. I can't go to school.’ I said, ‘Well, wash up.’ I'd say, ‘You're going to school,’" recalls Scruggs. “He was trying to save himself. And I-- and I didn't recognize it. I just didn't know.”

Scruggs blames the school for not protecting her son. And she’s not the only one. Jeanne Milstein, the child advocate appointed by the governor to make sure the child protection system is working, launched an investigation after Daniel’s death.

“The school never acknowledged that he was being bullied. They never held the ‘bullies’ accountable. They never got this child the kind of help and support that he needed,” says Milstein. “Teachers knew it. Guidance counselors knew it. Nurses knew it.”

By seventh grade, his mother could hardly get him to go to school at all. The case was turned over to a caseworker from the Department of Children and Families, whose responsibility it is by law to step in when parents can't deal with their children. The caseworker suggested that Daniel change schools, but, according to Milstein, failed to see how serious the case was.

“If a child, an 11-year-old child, comes to school with mismatched clothes, if he smells, if he's not doing well in school, if he's soiling himself, if he's acting hopeless and helpless, these are all signs of suicidal risk,” says Milstein. “They missed all of the signs. The child protection system missed the signs.”

The case was closed six days before Daniel’s death. By then, Daniel had missed or was late 73 out of 78 days. A truant officer had gotten involved when he’d been absent only 11 times, but failed to follow up. Neither the school, which disputes Milstein’s findings, nor the Department of Children and Families, would talk with 60 Minutes II about Daniel Scruggs.
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Who does Scruggs blame for Daniel’s death? “The bullies,” she says. “And the non-action of the school.”

Scruggs planned to sue the school and contacted a lawyer. Then, four months after Daniel died, she was called down to the police department. She assumed they were going to tell her what they’d uncovered about her son’s suicide. Instead, they took her fingerprints and her mug shot.

“They were putting me under arrest. I said, ‘You're telling me that you're arresting me for my son's death,’” says Scruggs, who claims she had no idea that she was going to be charged criminally after her son’s suicide.

She was eventually charged with three counts of risk of injury to a minor and one count of cruelty to persons - offenses ranging from an unhealthy home environment to not getting Daniel the proper medical or psychological care he needed.

“This wasn’t a case about Daniel’s death. This was a case about Daniel’s life,” says Det. Gary Brandl, the lead investigator on the case. He says Scruggs was charged for conditions leading up to Daniel’s death. He was one of the first on the scene on Jan. 2.

“It was a cute little house for that area of town, and appeared to be well kept and well cared for. However, when we opened the door, my opinion changed 180 degrees,” says Brandl.

What shocked Detective Brandl, as he wrote in the arrest warrant, were conditions that he described as “appalling and unsafe.” And there was also the odor.

“To best describe it would be as if you stuck your head in a dirty clothes hamper and include like fermented garbage on top of that,” says Brandl.

He says a cramped path about two feet wide was the only way to get through the house, and that it was buttressed by towering piles of debris, clothing, junk and other clutter: “There were items of clothing and bedding and Christmas presents and mirrors and glass items that were buried under heaps of clothing. In some areas, it was as high, if not higher, than the actual bed itself.”

And then there was the closet where the little boy played, where he slept and where he died. This is where detective Brandl found four kitchen knives and a homemade spear.

Scruggs says she knew about only one knife: “I was slightly concerned, but he was afraid because there had been break-ins in the neighborhood.”

Does she think she should have paid more attention to Daniel and the knives?
“No. No, I felt if he kept it between his mattress and his box spring, it would give him security, then it was all right,” says Scruggs, who admits she didn’t know about the homemade spear or the other three knives.
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So exactly what does the Scruggs house look like? Three weeks ago, she showed 60 Minutes II where she and her 19-year-old daughter, Kara, still live.

Almost two years after Daniel’s death, although the house has been cleaned up, every surface is still covered with dishes, boxes and other odds and ends.

“It’s cluttered,” says Scruggs. “I admit I’m not the world’s best housekeeper.”

But police say it was a lot more than that. They wondered why Daniel wasn't getting any psychological help. Ironically, his mother had called to arrange counseling the day of his death, but the school told Det. Brandl they'd recommended she get him help nine months earlier.

“She never picked up the phone,” says Brandl. “She told me initially that she tried to make contact with this agency. And so I asked her, ‘What do you mean you tried? Did you call?’ And it went from, ‘I tried calling’ to ‘I was gonna call’ to ‘I thought about calling’ and finally it was, ‘I never called.’”

“I told him I called earlier because I tried to convince Daniel that, you know, go to counseling. He said he wouldn't. And I just, I didn't feel he needed counseling,” says Scruggs. “He needed to get away from the bullying. And once he got away from the bullying, then I would ascertain whether he needed counseling or not.”

Scruggs says she realized that Daniel wasn’t bathing, but she says that he was wearing clean clothes when he went to school: “I figured it was rebellion. People say, ‘Why didn’t you make him wash.’ He’s 12 years old. I’m not going to stand over a 12 year-old, make sure he gets in the tub. He’s not 2 or 3.”

Reese Norris, Judith Scruggs attorney, says parenting is subjective – not a black-and-white issue to be determined by a court of law.

“She's not the Mother of the Year. She's not the perfect mother. She's not the perfect housekeeper. But she's not a criminal,” says Norris.

“This is about taking a situation where a child has taken his life and then looking at the parent in hindsight and saying you should have done more. If you're going to look at a parent and say, ‘Well, listen, I wouldn't deal with it the way you did. And therefore, you're a criminal,’ is this the forum, the criminal courts, where we resolve those types of issues? I don't think it is.”
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Scruggs went on trial last month. It was one of the first times a parent has been charged in connection with a child’s suicide. On Oct. 6, after deliberating for three days, the jury found her guilty on one count – risk of injury to a minor for an unhealthy home environment.

60 Minutes II spoke with four of the six jurors, who say there was one piece of evidence that led them all to convict.

“This case was whether or not this child was put in a situation where he could harm himself. And I think what our decision was based on was the fact that he slept surrounded by kitchen knives," says juror Paul Kirschmann of Meriden, Conn.

What's the message that the prosecution and the jury tried to send?

“The prosecution tried to send a message to the people that this is a bad mother. This is a cruel mother. This is a mother who has no care about her children,” says Scruggs. “Walk a mile in my shoes.”

The jurors say counseling would do Judith Scruggs more good than time in prison, but she's facing up to 10 years behind bars when a judge sentences her in December.

Daniel's short, unhappy life has led to a new law in Connecticut that requires schools to report bullying to authorities. But for all the people who knew about Daniel's problems -- from his school to the child protection agency to the juvenile courts to his own mother -- no one intervened.

“I think we all failed him at some point,” says Scruggs.


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28. Good post
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php1949 Donating Member (89 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 07:49 PM
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34. I think you took a wrong turn...
I think you were looking for one of the asshole forums over on the Free Republic site.

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php1949 Donating Member (89 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 07:59 PM
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35. I disliked his daddy, but I hate the idiot son
1. for shitting on the Constitution
2. for sentencing 560 American soldiers to die in his war for profit
3. for sentencing 10,000 Iraqi women and children to die in his war for profit.
4. for lying about the Weapons of Mass destruction
5. for lying about the al-Queda connection
6. for lying about the African uranium purchase
7. for sitting on his hands before Sept. 11, 2001
8. for taking the first steps to destroy Medicare
9. for taking the first steps to destroy our public education system
10. for taking the first steps to destroy Social Security
11. for forcing the EPA to lie to New Yorkers regarding the air quality around ground zero
12. for preying on the fears of Americans
13. for exploiting the 9/11 tragedy for his political gains
14. for ecouraging the anti-American trend of outsourcing American jobs
15. for attempting to put bias in the Constitution and being an asshole regarding gay marriage. We should encourage fidelity.
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38. pretty good summation
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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 08:56 AM
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40. I can't hate a Pawn
I can't hate Bush. He is simply a Pawn for just about everyone except the majority of America. He is a pawn for the Wealthy with his tax cuts for the rich. The middle class and the poor will only get poorer when he cuts overtime. He is a pawn for Robertson, Falwell and the rest of the Legion of Doom, also known as the Intolerant Christian Right. His Faith based initiatives and the appointment of Extremist Zealots such as Ashcroft, Pryor, and a new one is coming in, her name is Janice Brown or something, these are people I know most Christians are actually against and it is proof that Bush isn't catering to the whims of the average American. Many people hate Bush, but I can't hate a Tool and a Puppet. Instead, I am going to direct my hate at his Masters.
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