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PittLib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 12:49 PM
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Look what I got!
I received this after I sent some stats around that were apparently being handed out in a church. I did it to counter act the fire and brimstone stuff a born again friend frequently sends. This guy is on the list:

Love all this religious "mumbo jumbo" and the statistics. First of all, I've never been one for statistics as ANYONE depending on their motivation can tweak ANY number, in ANY category to make it fit their agenda. It's called spin, and that dog don't hunt at my house. I suppose that Bush is responsible for the increase in abortions, infant mortality, lack of health insurance, poverty, and deaths in Iraq? You can throw all the numbers you want (not impressive) but have you investigated the CAUSES of these increases? Was there any increase at the end of that guy pretending to be our president's term (clinton). Just as the economy slipping during his last eight months and Bush inherited it, are any of these other categories also inherited by Bush? I don't know, but somehow I have a feeling that they are. As far as economy, anyone that has spent more than 10 minutes studying economy and history knows that our economy moves in cycles and that the president has almost nothing to do with it. That is, clinton's big claim to fame, other than being a complete shitbag is his "it's the economy stupid." Guess what........... clinton reaped what Reagan sowed years earlier. It's a cycle and tweaks to the economy RARELY are seen instantly or even during a four year term.
Now, let's look at this religious crap you are throwing. Let's start with the vatican at the bottom and your war statistics. Sure, we've lost 1,100 troops in Iraq. They are our troops and we can account for that number. I'll give you 1,100 troops, that's not spin. Ever been in the military? Sure, any death is sad, but most of those troops were doing EXACTLY what they wanted to be doing and that simple fact is ........... KILLING raghead pieces of shit. It's an ALL volunteer force............. they raised their hands and then verbally stated that they'd "Protect the US against all enemies, foreign and domestic." It was their job, they died...................... I HONOR them every freak'n minute of every day. That's what they do and as sad and callous as it may sound, 1,100 troops for the kind of operations they are conducting is pretty freak'n light in both modern and profession military numbers. Damn near THAT many Americans die on our highways EVERY week in this country and nobody says shit about it. On to the vatican.......................... the vatican can suck my ass on any opinion about war and oppression. They sat on the sidelines and did nothing about the holocaust, they've watched genocide happen for decades, they sponsored the Crusades and most recently, their record on priests and little boys makes me want to puke. Throw any number you want at me and any statement condemning the war........ but holy shit, don't tell me what the vatican thinks about anything. "Moral failure" .............................. you have to be kidding me !!!!
Still on the war................... say and think what you want. Vote for whoever you want. Condemn the war, protest the war, support the ACLU weakening the Patriot Act. Support the ACLU and protest again racial profiling........... but the truth is that our enemies will NOT stop until we defeat them. I said defeat. Defeat means DESTROY, KILL, and just freak'n blast them until it is NOT WORTH IT for them to target and attack us. I know it's hard to understand and for some of you earth muppet, ivory soap using, sandal wearing, volvo driving, bark eating, don't shave your legs, makeup challenged, left wing, hippy, freakshows........................... that means that if NOT defeated, someday someone named mohammed will enter your house, rag on head, bayonet on AK and he will GUT YOU like a pig. WAR, WAR, Boo Hoo, stop the war......... wake the hell up and lose the retarded, typical, SOFT American mindset. Get off your freak'n couch, drop the hostess products and remote control long enough to understand that our enemy is willing to fly airplanes into building and detonate car bombs (while sitting in the car) to defeat us.
GEEZ !!! I'm gonna go puke now.

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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 12:52 PM
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1. Hmmm
Edited on Sun Oct-31-04 12:52 PM by wryter2000
Get off your freak'n couch, drop the hostess products and remote control long enough to understand that our enemy is willing to fly airplanes into building and detonate car bombs (while sitting in the car) to defeat us.

And the person who sent you this is doing exactly what to keep us safe from terra?
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 12:53 PM
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2. My apologies
Edited on Sun Oct-31-04 01:02 PM by Gman
------on edit-------
I did not notice that this was posted in Bush, Conservatives & Conservatis before I posted my initial comments. Considering that you took the time to go to this forum, your comments are appropriate here for discussion.

I'm sometimes a little too quick, especially now, to look for a troll where there is none. My apologies and you are correct to post this here.

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PittLib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 01:00 PM
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4. yes, that is exactly what I trying to do ...
give me a break! I posted it because I thought the intelligent people of DU might offer some interesting stuff to throw back ... a cheap but easy way to cobble together a quick response. I am way too tired at this point. But apparently EVERYONE here seems to have completely lost their sense of humor and/or is just as tired as I am. What's with the accusations and paranoia?
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 01:03 PM
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5. Read my edited post above...
I was a little too quick with shooting first and asking questions later!
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libbygurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 12:55 PM
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3. Easy ques: So what does Iraq have to do with 9/11? Were the Iraqis our
enemies in this WOT? Did Saddam send the airplanes into the towers and the Pentagon?

Why don't we strap an AK47 to this guy and send him to help fight with that "all-volunteer" army in Iraq (many enlisting as the only way out of a crap, no-job economy), if he thinks it's so right?

Again, crappy economy not *'s fault but Clinton's, and Clinton's boom leftover from Raygun. The Dems can't do anything right, I take it?

etc., etc.

Nutcase. kool aid overdose, obviously.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 01:28 PM
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6. I think this guy is too far gone for using reason - I would just agree
with him in a cynical way - everything bad that has ever happened to the country is Clinton's fault, no good people have ever come out of the Catholic Church, everyone who lives outside our borders needs to be controlled because we know, statistics stink.

You say you're tired - evidently he's not and he hasn't heard himself speak enough this season. Don't be his audience. There are more reasonable people out there.

Everything boils down to a few things, imo:

children - are we hypocritical about birthing them, loving them, and raising them and should they be be raised to die for kings, despots, dictators, monarchs, political leaders, and in our country, for corporations - and -

killings - how many are justified to enter into a war that mere leaders have concocted for agendas that are more theirs than ours - and -

christianity - should we be admitting that we don't seem to believe in sharing God's earth - and =

peace - do people of any faith really believe in Peace On Earth.

If we honestly don't care about these things, the field of argument is way too wide to conquer.
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chinacatsunflower Donating Member (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-04 06:44 PM
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7. peace - do people of any faith really believe in Peace On Earth.
we are few and far between b/c of how bush has decieved so mnay christians...but yes i am a christian who supports peace on earth and is against Bush---HARDCORE
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PittLib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 03:12 AM
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8. There will be those who chose to follow their faith...
because it makes them feel morally superior. And there are those who chose to follow because they truly believe. I admire and respect the good hearted ones.
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PittLib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 03:22 AM
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9. I guess I took this guy on as my pet project.
He is/was a marine, but I don't know him personally. This guy sent me two different e-mails ... perhaps I should have posted the other instead. I was tired, but the more I thought about it the more angry and energized I became. I guess I'm guilty of trying to respond too quickly, and sometimes the people here have incredible facts at their disposal which makes for great ammunition. I just can't resist taking people like this on.
Thank you for your thoughtful response. :)
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