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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-11 12:54 PM
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Watts, Other Skeptics Demand "Transparency", "Apples-to-Apples" Comparisons After BEST Results - NYT
As we noted on the blog on Thursday, a new study designed to address critiques of climate science by skeptics has confirmed that “global warming is real” and the world’s average land temperature has risen by about 1.8 degrees Fahrenheit since the mid-1950s. The findings, released by a group of scientists and statisticians at the University of California known as the Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature project, were welcomed by climate scientists and advocates of climate policy action, who had been hoping that skeptics would finally have to cry uncle. Not so fast.

At least one of those skeptics, Anthony Watts, had written in March on his climate-themed blog, Watts Up With That, “I’m prepared to accept whatever result they produce, even if it proves my premise wrong.” But neither Mr. Watts nor other longtime critics of climate science reached by The Times seemed satisfied with the report.

Mr. Watts, a former television meteorologist, contended that the study’s methodology was flawed because it examined data over a 60-year period instead of the 30-year-one that was the basis for his research and some other peer-reviewed studies. He also noted that the report had not yet been peer-reviewed and cited spelling errors as proof of sloppiness. He said he was not backing away from the pledge he made but that he wanted corrections made first. “I’m still happy to accept the results, whatever they might be,” Mr. Watts said. ”All I’m asking for is an apples-to-apples comparison of data.”

Similarly, Steven Mosher, a co-author of “Climategate: The Crutape letters,” a book critical of climate scientists, was not inclined to give his seal of approval, saying that the study still lacked transparency. “I’m not happy until the code is released and released in a language that people can use freely,” he said.

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http://green.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/21/climate-study-does-not-placate-skeptics/
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dtexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-11 12:58 PM
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1. Nothing will convince denier loonies --
that is, nothing will convince them that their denial is wrong. Absolutely everything convinces them that they're correct. ;-)
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qb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-11 01:02 PM
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2. The masters of obfuscation demand transparency.
:eyes:
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Ready4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-11 01:02 PM
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3. Reduce their data to his cherry picked range?
No. Howabout he expand HIS methodology to a larger range?
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Celefin Donating Member (256 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-11 09:47 AM
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4. 'Skeptics' never have to deliver.
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“I’m not happy until the code is released and released in a language that people can use freely,” he said.
<<<

Well,

The sourcecode has been made public
The study has been made public before peer-review so that any changes 'imposed' by other scientists will be fully transparent
All the raw data has been made public
All the processed data has been made public

The winning point for the 'skeptics'?
You CAN NEVER convert all this highly specialized stuff combined with the VAST array of data into 'a language that people can use freely'.
The 'people' would all have to get masters' degrees to really discuss all this.
That's kind of what scientists are for.

So, business as usual.
'Skeptics' win, denialists get voted into office.
Rinse, repeat.
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