Citizen takes down gunman after shooting in Skyway

[n2doc]

Police say an armed citizen helped arrest a man who shot another man late Saturday in the Skyway neighborhood south of Seattle.

King County Sheriff's Sgt. John Urquhart said the victim was shot just after 9 p.m. during an argument in the parking lot of the US Bank branch at 12610 76th Ave. S.

A man not involved in the dispute who was using the ATM at the bank pulled out his own gun and pointed it at the shooter, Urquhart said.

Urquhart said the man is licensed to carry the weapon and also had handcuffs with him, although he is not a member of law enforcement.

By the time police arrived, the good samaritan already had the suspected shooter cuffed and disarmed.


Read more: http://www.seattlepi.com/local/komo/article/Citizen-takes-down-gunman-after-shooting-in-Skyway-1751843.php

[MineralMan]

1. Handcuffs? Wannabe cop, perhaps?

I can understand the concealed carry, but the handcuffs thing is a bit over the top, really.

[ret5hd]

2. You can take my handcuffs when you...

unlock them from my wifes....shit, nevermind.

[RSillsbee]

13. Why would you handcuff your wife's shit?

Wait , nevermind I don't want to know

[slackmaster]

3. Perhaps he does private security work, or is a professional magician

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt in regard to his motives for carrying handcuffs, until I have a good reason to believe his intentions were less than honorable.

[MineralMan]

4. Nothing illegal about carrying handcuffs. He's welcome to do

so, as far as I'm concerned. I was just speculating.

[DWC]

5. Never thought about carrying handcuffs

but it definitely shows his intent was to be prepared to stop a life threatening situation by display of lethal force and apprehend. Shooting the perp was held as the last option.

Kudos to the armed citizen.

Semper Fi,

[slackmaster]

6. Yes, he showed a lot of restraint

:hide:

[RSillsbee]

12. Generally you and I are on different sides of an issue

But this time I am 100% in agreement w/ you

[spin]

16. I believe I remember at least one retired cop who carried handcuffs ...

probably a force of habit. Of course, he also had a carry permit and carried.

[RSillsbee]

17. STRICTLY MY OPINION

But, unless you are a sworn active duty law enforcement officer (or really kinky) you have no business carrying handcuffs

[AtheistCrusader]

24. maybe he just wants to set the tone, if ever searched by the police.

Why I carry a vibrator and lube.

[AtheistCrusader]

23. Kinda wierd, I agree.

Conceal carry is about self defense, not apprehension.

Might be part of his work kit. Private security, guard, etc.

[mvccd1000]

7. Does this count...

... as one of those mythical defensive uses of firearms that are said to rarely exist?

After all, nobody was shot. Hell, he may not even have endangered any nearby kindergartners with his wild paranoia. :)

[DWC]

8. If "rarely" means more than 500,000 times per year in the USA

then yes, this does count as one of those mythical defensive uses of firearms that are said to rarely exist.

Semper Fi,

[SteveM]

14. And like the vast majority of these, the citizen did not shoot. nt

[Hoopla Phil]

9. Back in 95 when I got my CHL I asked an instructor (and personal friend)

his opinion of carrying handcuffs also. I thought it a good idea to have them should I stop a violent person and not incapacitate them (you know - no shots fired). I didn't really want to have to be holding a firearm on someone when the police showed up and considered it prudent to have the handcuffs.

He told me he completely understood my concern BUT! (that's a really big but) If I did have to shoot someone and was found with handcuffs on me it could be used as fodder by an "anti" to paint my intentions into an untrue light in order to falsely prosecute me. On his advice I stopped carrying handcuffs.

You'll not "stopped" carrying handcuffs. See, I used to carry handcuffs prior to my CHL when ever I was ridding. They make a great helmet lock. So, because I got my CHL and was concerned about others false perception of my intentions, I stopped carrying handcuffs.

I think, based on some of the comments already in this thread, my instructor's advice was spot on.

[Lurks Often]

10. I think carrying handcuffs as a civilian is a bad idea

An armed civilian should only be concerned with stopping the threat, not trying to apprehend a criminal. Additionally, trying to handcuff a criminal yourself without any person backing you up, greatly increases the threat to you by putting you within arms reach of the criminal and putting your gun within arms reach of the criminal.

Me, I'm either going to hold him at gunpoint from a distance with him face down on the ground while I wait for the police or if he chooses to flee, let him go.




On edit: I can see it now, the police officer saying "Thanks for cuffing him, even if you did use the velvet lined handcuffs, but was the ball gag really necessary?"

[DWC]

11. LMAO!!! n/t

[tortoise1956]

21. I have to ask...

you wouldn't use clamps too, would you? (Area to be clamped omitted - use your imagination)

[Lurks Often]

26. No, that would probably be considered excessive force nt

[AtheistCrusader]

25. "Sorry sir. Habit."

[Kennah]

15. Cuffs or zip ties?

Still haven't read that it was metal handcuffs rather than plastic zip ties.

Even if it's metal cuffs, could just mean the guy is a little kinky and was either coming from or going to a party.

Metal cuffs can indicate a Strange Ranger alert, but I don't get all exercised about it. If he knew what he was doing, and felt comfy cuffing someone, that's up to him to decide.

I don't carry cuffs and I don't carry zip ties. I did FMA for a few years, and I've rolled around on the floor doing ground fighting; however, I wouldn't try to cuff someone. Hold 'em at gunpoint, yeah. Tussle around with them, nope.

[RSillsbee]

18. FMA? NT

[Kennah]

19. Filipino Martial Arts

[RSillsbee]

28. Ah So Ka Thank you NT

[Kennah]

20. Unless one is active duty military, one is a civilian.

People with badges in their pocket are CIVILIAN law enforcement.

[Euromutt]

22. The article says "citizen" throughout, doesn't it?

Not that I disagree with you regarding the fact that members of the civil authorities are, well, civilians, but it seems superfluous to point it out, since the article doesn't refer to the CPL holder as a "civilian," but as a "citizen." Strictly speaking "private citizen" would have been even better to indicate the distinction with "agents of the state" (like law enforcement and armed forces personnel), since the latter are typically citizens as well, but just "citizen" will do, given that a newspaper has a limited amount of space.

[Glassunion]

27. There are a handful of jobs where one would carry handcuffs.

Licensed private investigator
Bail enforcement agent
Fugitive recovery agent
Private Security
Loss prevention
Some auxiliary(volunteer) police. They are classified as non LEO, however in some states that have them, they do have arrest powers.