Guns don't belong in city buildings (Green Bay LTTE)

[jpak]

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20111023/GPG0603/110230639/Guns-don-t-belong-city-buildings

GREEN BAY — Even though a City Council committee has endorsed a ban on guns and other weapons in all city buildings, Green Bay aldermen recently voted to reject the ban. Guns that are registered and used for hunting, I can understand. But being allowed to carry concealed guns in public city buildings is foolish and an endangerment to public safety because guns have no place in city business.

Guns are a lawful part of hunting in restricted areas because everyone is aware there are guns being used in that area. Law enforcement officers carry guns because they are well trained in gun usage and are dedicated to upholding public laws.

Some aldermen feel that the public can carry concealed guns because gun rights are a part of our Constitution. Well, our great Constitution allowed that blacks were only three-fifths of a person and women were not allowed to vote. Things have changed and we have come to know better.

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[jmg257]

1. Peggy is for open carry douchbaggery. She doesn't say why that is fine with her.

Weird bird, this one...another NRA/rightwing wacko.

[ObamaFTW2012]

There you go with that broad brush again

"Supports open carry = NRA/rightwing wacko".

If you see a black man open carrying a handgun, do you assume he's a criminal? Do you think he voted for Obama? Id it even possible in your mind?

[jmg257]

12. If I see a black man open carrying, I assume he's a cop, otherwise he IS a criminal.

But then that is the same for a white man around here too. No matter the race, I would hope he voted for Obama, and it is very possible he did.

[ObamaFTW2012]

13. Where are you?

In SC, if I open carry I am a criminal. In GA, it's perfectly legal.

[PavePusher]

18. Profile says CA, where O.C. (unloaded) is legal for a few more months. n/t

[ObamaFTW2012]

21. OK. Thank you n/t

[PavePusher]

19. "If I see a black man open carrying, I assume he's a cop, otherwise he IS a criminal."

WTF?! You realize O.C. (unloaded) is still legal for a few more months in CA, right?

I hope you are merely confused on the law, otherwise your post reads as vile bigotry, either of race, or of a legal Civil Right. Please clarify this...?

[jmg257]

26. Yep, I am aware of that. Please re-read how assumption relates to whites as well. nt

[PavePusher]

28. So it's the bigotry then? Seriously?

If you are trying to be sarcastic, you need to be a little more obvious about it (or maybe I need a large coffee?).

Otherwise, this is pretty vile shit, and I demand an explaination.

[jmg257]

29. You demand?? You should re-read then and see no bigotry or racism involved. nt

[PavePusher]

32. "But then that is the same for a white man around here too."

I offer you my heartfelt apology, I missed that part completely. I got locked on to your header sentence, and put my own blinders on. You are correct, you were not being racist, and it was my mistake in incomplete reading that led me to make that accusation. Me==> ;( :dunce:

As for the remainder of your comment, Open Carry is not an indicator of criminality when done where legal. The vast majority of criminals, in fact, do not carry openly, for a variety of reasons. Why would you assume that someone doing so was a criminal?

[jmg257]

34. No worries...as for the rest,

Once I saw my initial response to THIS OP would need clarification to some, the purpose and points seemed lost & not really worthy of explanation. ;)

Open carry is fine where legal, though other then while hunting, I do not feel too strongly about it. I have wondered if done often enough would it eventually be more accepted as just not a big deal. I definitely do not agree with it if it be for intmidation, and a bit undecided on the overall wisdom.

edit: Check your inbox!

[PavePusher]

38. Mailbox checked, thank you for your generosity.

I see the issue as exactly parallel to GLBT's/women's/racial issues. People "get used to it". I open carry almost exclusively here in Arizona and in Utah, also New Hampshire and Vermont. I've never had any issues, and actually received numerous compliments, and more than a few questions.

[shraby]

2. She's right.

I would certainly hate to be paying my taxes at the city hall and have a half-cocked angry-about-taxes idiot come in with a concealed weapon and decide to start randomly shooting.
AND we all know how likely that is to happen.

[RSillsbee]

3. So you think some nut job who is willing to start "randomly shooting"

Will be stopped by a ban on carrying handguns in city buildings?

FWIW it is perfectly legal to carry a concealed weapon in city buildings in Colorado Springs and to my knowledge we've never had a "random shooting" in a city building.

[YllwFvr]

5. ive carried into my own city council meeting

Along with a dozen others. No one started shooting and the officers at the meeting knew it and were very nice about it. I see no reason anyone should be concerned about it. A ban will have little effect. If someone wanted to cause harm it won't make a difference.

[movonne]

7. why would you want to carry a gun into a city council meeting?? is

there a reason for this or is it too look like a bad ass...

[rl6214]

9. If he carried concealed, how would he "look like a bad ass"?

And if you normally carry concealed and are out and about, to and from the councel meeting, why should you have to take your gun off before entering? Should you have to leave it at home just because you are stopping at a council meeting?

[RSillsbee]

11. Can't speak for YLLWFVR

But I carry a gun where ever I go. So, if it happens that I'm going to a town council meeting I will be carrying a gun there

[jpak]

14. For political intimidation - there is no other reason

yup

[ProgressiveProfessor]

30. I carried into a county supervisors meeting a while back

Was on the way home and its safer on me than on the bike. If there was a lockbox option, I would have taken it. Since there was not, I kept my jacket closed up.

[rl6214]

33. It's concealed, how is that intimidation?

[SteveM]

40. Right. X-ray vision can see right through clothes. Result? intimidation.

:eyes: :crazy: :silly:

[AtheistCrusader]

15. In case some shithead with bad intentions shows up with his or her own gun.

Like this asshole:
http://www.khou.com/news/Florida-Shooting-Triggers-Questions-about-Houston-Gun-Laws--Meetings-111963114.html

I'm sure a rule against guns in that building would have stopped him.

[ileus]

24. safety first....you only carry for one reason...that's protection.

[YllwFvr]

36. i carry everywhere

And don't disarm for the council meetings

[rl6214]

8. You really think a ban is going to stop someone

if they are "a half-cocked angry-about-taxes idiot"?

If they were in the mindset that they want to do something like that, a city council ban on concealed carry is NOT going to stop them.

[petronius]

25. Pretend that we don't all know - how likely would you say it is?

:shrug:

[SteveM]

39. Yes. A sign should stop anything you fear. Cheap, too.

[DrDan]

4. well said - "guns have no place in city business."

[AtheistCrusader]

16. So, you'd throw out the armed police then too, huh?

[DrDan]

17. obviously not

[PavePusher]

20. Ah, "Some pigs is more equal than other pigs."

Truely a progressive, democratic bit of advocacy there.

My apologies to any police, no insinuation of 'police=pig', in the derogatory sense, was intended.

[AtheistCrusader]

27. Wasn't obvious at all. Still isn't.

[YllwFvr]

37. its not the citys business

What I've got in my pockets, its mine.

[rl6214]

6. What a laugh...

"Law enforcement officers carry guns because they are well trained in gun usage"

Most cops I know are not 'gun people'. They qualify with them once a year and that's about it. My BIL is a sheriffs deputy and I will out shoot him any day of the week. I have taken a number of city cops out shooting and again, they are not gun people and don't know much other that their carry guns and even then are not very accurate.

Your backlash is failing.

[YllwFvr]

35. i cant speak for officers everywhere

But I got to see a sample of the shooting at policy academy and I was unimpressed. We had people shooting other peoples targets, a captain in the army who qualified expert with pistol missing the paper at 15 yards. One guy drop his gun, and several were still afraid of the gun at the end of the firearms training.
Myself, I shot perfect score out to 50 yards every time but need work on moving targets.

[ObamaFTW2012]

10. And those were changed by Constitutional Amendment

So, if you think you can pull it off, follow suit by getting a Constitutional Convention called, present an Amendment to achive your goals and get it passed, convince enough states to ratify it, and you will get the change you desire.

The Constitution is designed to be changed through a specific process, not legislative nor judicial erosion. Quit being lazy.

[krispos42]

22. The people carrying guns aren't carrying them to facilitate city business

They're carrying guns in case somebody else decides to beat, rob, and/or kill them while in the city building... which I would presume would include things like city-run public parking lots.

That's obvious, I would think.

[ileus]

23. The people should be allowed to be safe in their buildings. gun free is for private property...

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

31. "...because guns have no place in city business"... Please explain why?

"But being allowed to carry concealed guns in public city buildings is foolish and an endangerment to public safety because guns have no place in city business."

What is so different about "city buildings" & "city business" (compared to the rest of public & private property) that makes guns so foolish and dangerous to carry there? Somehow because "city business" or "city buildings" are involved, does that create a differing set of circumstances? What's so special about city owned property?

Could someone please explain that statement from the article?

[gravity556]

42. I think the "guns have no place in city business"

is the result of the anti-rights folks projecting. They figure that they get angry enough to become combative if they don't get their way, so they presume that everyone behaves in the same fashion. Since they cannot control themselves, they presume that you are likewise incapable of self control. And considering some of the city council blooper reels I've seen on TV, some of those folks lose control and hurl chairs and physically assault anyone who disagrees with them.

So I guess it's all about the safety of the violently emotional anti-rights fools. After all, they don't want to get shot just because they happened to hit a lawful concealed carrier with a chair. Projection and fear of response in kind sums it up nicely.

[MicaelS]

41. "Why have concealed carry anyway?"

"If it is legal to carry a gun, why conceal it?"

Because frightened people like you might wet their pants, or have a heart attack, at the sight of open carry.

Typical hypocrisy....If we carry concealed we're dishonest or paranoid. If we carry openly we're an intimidator.