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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 07:40 PM
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Traffickers exploit state laws to move guns
http://www.futurity.org/society-culture/traffickers-exploit-state-laws-to-move-guns/

Gun traffickers take advantage of the differences in firearm laws by moving illegal guns from states with weak laws into states with stricter ones, a new study shows.

For a National Bureau of Economic Research working paper, researchers used gun tracing data from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives to identify the source for crime guns recovered in each of the 50 states and then constructed an import-export matrix to measure the state-to-state gun trafficking flow.

Each state was then classified on a scale of weak-to-stringent gun regulation using 10 laws deemed significant in terms of reducing trafficking by Mayors Against Illegal Guns, including legislation on straw purchasing, background checks, and required reporting of lost or stolen guns.

The paper’s main findings include: Trafficking flows respond to gun regulations, with guns flowing from states with weak gun laws into nearby states with strict laws. Proximity matters: Trafficking flows are more significant between two nearby states than between two distant states. A weakening of gun laws has a more significant effect in nearby states. The fraction of crimes involving a gun tends to be higher in states exposed to weak gun laws.

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safeinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 07:59 PM
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1. NRA heads are exploding.
Thanks for the post.
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gejohnston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 08:22 PM
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3. I doubt it
almost all of the input for his model is from Brady, MAIG, et al instead of ATF.
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Atypical Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 11:35 AM
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9. Why?
NRA heads are exploding.

Why? This seems like common sense: people will buy guns where there is the least amount of hassle.

The real question is why is crime so bad in the places with the strict gun control, but is less of a problem in the places without it?

It's not the guns, it's not the gun control. It's the kind of people living in the high-crime areas. Drug-industry-fueled gangs.
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gejohnston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 08:21 PM
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2. some questions I would ask
So in other words, current federal laws, like Federal Firearms Act of 1938 and Gun Control Act of 1968 are not deterring this.
Here are some questions:
Are there "straw purchasers" (who are violating current federal laws) buying and shipping directly?
Is the trace only to original purchaser (most likely) who may have moved to New York and it was stolen years later?
Also, how does it explain Hawaii and US Virgin Islands? The latter having the highest murder rate in the US and among the highest in the world?
Why an economist instead of criminologist? I seems that most "we need more gun control" studies tend to be done by economists and MDs and not criminologists and I never seen one published in a criminology journal.
He cites advocacy groups (like MAIG and Brady) more than ATF or law enforcement agencies as sources for his information. Why?
He ignores Mexico's primary gun source being the southern border (theirs, as pointed out by Wikileaks and reported by McClatchy and Latin American Herald).
Granted, I am not an economist. I do not have a PhD in math or statistics, but I do know the expression "garbage in garbage out" means.
Oh yeah, where is the raw data and is this peer reviewed? If so, are the referees criminologists or other nonexperts? Did he receive grants for this project? If so, who?

http://www.econ.brown.edu/fac/Brian_Knight/guns4.pdf
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ileus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 08:22 PM
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4. Time to end the war on guns...stop encouraging illegal behavior with bad laws.
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rl6214 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-11 09:01 PM
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5. I stopped reading at Mayors against illegal guns
That would be like asking the catholic church to do a study on abortions

Unrec for heavily biased source.
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Glassunion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 09:19 AM
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6. Still does not explain California and New York
Strictest gun laws in the nation, yes those two states are large exporters of firearms used in crimes.
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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 10:22 AM
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8. Yeah, I was looking at it wondering what he was trying to show, exactly.
Kinda says the opposite of the conclusion.
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gejohnston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 09:25 AM
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7. an honest thank you
for posting a policy related post rather than police blotter about a gangland "business dispute" or wife beating asshole who should have been in jail or treatment before it got that far.
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 11:44 AM
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10. Which proves that the War on Guns is as abject a failure as the War on Drugs ...
Perhaps the solution to the problem is merely to make the gun laws in the states that make purchasing firearms extremely difficult more like the laws in other states.

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gravity556 Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 12:29 PM
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11. Yes, because if we make it super double-secret illegal,
that's a line the criminals just won't cross.
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DanTex Donating Member (734 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 02:20 PM
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12. Good post.
As more and more studies come out, researchers are getting a more refined picture of how gun ownership and gun laws affect rates of gun violence. The fact that nations, states, counties with higher gun ownership generally suffer from higher rates of homicide and gun violence has been established several times over, but this study shows that it's not just the local gun laws that matter: even if the local laws are strong, weak gun laws in neighboring states can undermine the effectiveness of the local laws, resulting in higher criminal gun possession.

In terms of gun control, what this points to is the need for stronger national regulations, things like background checks for private sales, storage requirements, stolen gun reporting, an anti-trafficking statute, and ideally a national gun registry. Of course, we've known for a long time that gun trafficking undermines local gun laws -- if New York were located in the continental Europe, you'd have less gun violence because you wouldn't have so many illegal guns coming in from other states -- but it is useful to have studies like this one to quantifying this effect.

BTW, the actual study is not available to the general public, but here's a link to a preliminary version from the author's webpage.
In this paper, we have provided a theoretical and empirical analysis of cross-state externalities associated with state-level gun regulations. This analysis yields three key results. First, trafficking flows respond to gun regulations, with guns imported from states with weak gun laws into states with strict gun laws. Thus, the necessary condition for cross-state externalities is satisfi ed. The second key result is that proximity matters, with trafficking flows more signifi cant between two nearby states than between two distant states. Thus, any externalities have a spatial component, with a weakening of gun laws having a more signi cant eff ect in nearby states. The third key result is that, consistent with the existence of cross-state externalities, criminal possession rates tend to be higher in states exposed to weak gun laws in other states.

These findings of cross-state externalities have a number of policy implications. First, to the extent that states do not internalize these externalities when setting gun regulations, gun policy may be too lax under decentralization. This idea is consistent with the standard result of inefficient policies under decentralization and cross-state spillovers. Second, there may be a role from a welfare perspective for increasing the stringency of federal regulations. For example, federal laws equivalent to those in New York would eliminate incentives for trafficking into this state. On the other hand, there would be a cost of further federal interventions, as a key advantage of decentralization involves the ability of states to tailor policies according to local preferences. While our analysis sheds light on this bene fit of greater centralization, weighing these bene fits and costs would require information on the value of policies being tailored to local preferences under decentralization.

http://www.econ.brown.edu/fac/Brian_Knight/guns4.pdf

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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 02:43 PM
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13. Yeah, Switzerland is the violent crime capital of Europe.
What with all those drive-bys on the streets of Basel, and the Schwyz Cartel threatening the government, I just don't
understand why they let people keep automatic weapons at home...
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gejohnston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-11 02:59 PM
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14. not to mention
The French, Norwegians, Finns, and New Zealanders with those unregulated suppressors.
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-11 04:53 PM
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15. Liquor stores on county lines: Funny how prohibition works. nt
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