Governor John Connally never believed the Warren Commission

[Ghost in the Machine]

Connally served as governor from 1963-1969. On November 22, 1963, Connally was seriously wounded while riding in President Kennedy's car in Dealey Plaza of Dallas when the president was assassinated. He recovered from wounds in his chest, wrist and thigh. The ten-month investigation of the Warren Commission of 1963–1964, the United States House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) of 1977–1978, and other government investigations concluded that the President was assassinated by Lee Harvey Oswald. Connally disputed this conclusion and the single bullet theory right up to the time of his death.<11>

{emphasis mine}

Nellie Connally, who was sitting next to her husband in the presidential limousine, always maintained that two bullets struck John F. Kennedy and a third hit her husband. "The first sound, the first shot, I heard, and turned and looked right into the President's face. He was clutching his throat, and just slumped down. He Just had a - a look of nothingness on his face. He-he didn't say anything. But that was the first shot. The second shot, that hit John - well, of course, I could see him covered with - with blood, and his - his reaction to a second shot. The third shot, even though I didn't see the President, I felt the matter all over me, and I could see it all over the car."

John Connally agreed with his wife: "Beyond any question, and I'll never change my opinion, the first bullet did not hit me. The second bullet did hit me. The third bullet did not hit me."

{snip}

Doug Thompson later revealed that in 1982 he asked Connally if he was convinced that Lee Harvey Oswald fired the gun that killed John F. Kennedy. "Absolutely not," Connally said. "I do not, for one second, believe the conclusions of the Warren Commission." Thompson asked why he had not spoken out about this. Connally replied: "Because I love this country and we needed closure at the time. I will never speak out publicly about what I believe."
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKconnally.htm

For three years the Texas Governor was silent, evidently not caring to dispute with the Commission. But then Life got him to examine enlargements of 168 consecutive frames from Zapruder’s film, covering the whole shooting episode. Connally studied them with a magnifying glass, recollected every detail, and now said:
“I know every single second of what happened in that car until I lost consciousness. I recall I heard that first shot and turned to my right to see what had happened. { I started to look around over my left shoulder, and somewhere in that revolution I was hit. My recollection of that time gap, the distinct separation between the shot that hit the President and the impact of the one that hit me, is as clear today as it was then.” After saying that he had not read the Warren report and refused to join the dispute over it, Connally added:
“I don’t want to discuss any other facets of the controversy except my wounds as related to the first shot that hit the President. They talk about the one-bullet or the two-bullet theory, but as far as I am concerned there is no ‘theory.’ There is my absolute knowledge, and Nellie’s too, that one bullet caused the President’s first wound, and that an entirely separate shot struck me. It’s a certainty; I’ll never change my mind.”
http://www.kenrahn.com/jfk/history/wc_period/New_Times/1966-51_Echo_of_Dallas.html

[Bolo Boffin]

1. So?

Although it is not necessary to any essential findings of the Commission to determine just which shot hit Governor Connally, there is very persuasive evidence from the experts to indicate that the same bullet which pierced the President's throat also caused Governor Connally's wounds. However, Governor Connally's testimony and certain other factors have given rise to some difference of opinion as to this probability but there is no question in the mind of any member of the Commission that all the shots which caused the President's and Governor Connally's wounds were fired from the sixth floor window of the Texas School Book Depository.

http://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/warren-commission-report/chapter-1.html#conclusions

[immune]

2. So, the members of the commission

knew how many bullets were fired into the car and from whence they came better than the man who was right there hearing the shots and catching one of the bullets.

.... but there is no question. I really like that part. Ve are not to question ze reich meisters ... er, I mean ze commission!!!

[Ghost in the Machine]

5. A new inquiry is demanded by very influential persons: Governor John Connally of Texas,..

A new inquiry is demanded by very influential persons: Governor John Connally of Texas, who on that November 22 was riding in the same car with the President and was severely wounded by one of the shots; Senator Russell B. Long, deputy Democratic majority Leader in the Senate; Prof. Arthur Schlesinger, formerly adviser to Kennedy, and others. They have unexpectedly been joined by Dallas District Attorney Henry Wade, who has stated that the Warren Commission left many questions unanswered. Life magazine declared in connection with the anniversary that in the national interest a new commission, possibly Congressional, ought to be appointed to go into the whole case again, and in particular to examine all the evidence dismissed by the Warren Commission.

http://www.kenrahn.com/jfk/history/wc_period/New_Times/1966-51_Echo_of_Dallas.html

[immune]

6. Dead, dead, dead, dead

witnesses. "And so the list goes on."

[Ghost in the Machine]

7. Yep... sixteen of them in the first 3 years...

I remember something like that happening recently, too... Airmen from the bases where those nukes got "accidently" flow from Minot to Barksdale dying in crashes and committing suicide.

http://atlanticfreepress.com/news/1/2904-the-mystery-of-minot-loose-nukes-and-a-cluster-of-dead-airmen-raise-troubling-questions.html

[immune]

8. Different conveniently dead people (9/11)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yx3231C5eo

[zappaman]

9. thanks

:rofl:

[TheWraith]

10. Not that bullshit again.

That list of "airmen" from those bases who died "mysteriously..." Two of the eight listed were civilian employees, four of the eight died BEFORE the incident happened, NONE of them were pilots or otherwise involved with weapons security, and only one of them committed suicide. It's the worst kind of tin foil hat bullshit.

[Ghost in the Machine]

14. Apparently you aren't too familiar with facts...

"Two of the eight listed were civilian employees, four of the eight died BEFORE the incident happened"

The story I linked to only mentions SIX, did you not read the link and you're just blathering on in an uninformed fashion or do you just have have comprehension and/or retention problems? I will concede though, that it's correct that 2 of them shouldn't be on that list and did in fact die before the incident. Something to note, however, is that they were both pilots. Could they have been killed so they could be replaced?


"and only one of them committed suicide"

Again, did you read the article, or do you just have comprehension/retention problems?

"Then there are two reported suicides, which both occurred within days of the flight. One involved Todd Blue, a 20-year-old airman who was in a unit that guarded weapons at Minot. He reportedly shot himself in the head on Sept. 11 while on a visit to his family in Wytheville, Virginia. Local police investigators termed his death a suicide.

The second suicide, on Aug. 30, was John Frueh, a special forces weather commando at the Air Force’s Special Operations command headquartered at Hurlburt AFB in Florida. Hurlburt’s website says, “Every night, as millions of Americans sleep peacefully under the blanket of freedom,” Air Force Special Operations commandos work “in deep dark places, far away from home, risking their lives to keep that blanket safe.”

Frueh, 33, a married father of two who had just received approval for promotion from captain to major, reportedly flew from Florida to Portland, Oregon, for a friend’s wedding. He never showed up. Instead, he called on Aug. 29, the day the missiles were loaded, from an interstate pull-off just outside Portland to say he was going for a hike in a park nearby. (It is not clear why he was at a highway rest stop as he had no car.) A day later, back in Portland, he rented a car at the airport, again calling his family. After he failed to appear at the wedding, his family filed a missing person’s report with the Portland police. The Sheriff’s Department in remote Skamania County, Washington, found Frueh’s rental car ten days later on the side of a road nearly 120 miles from the airport in a remote area of Badger Peak. Search dogs found his body in the woods. His death was ruled a suicide, though neither the sheriff’s investigator nor the medical examiner would give details. What makes this alleged suicide odd, however, is that the sheriff reports that Frueh had with him a knapsack containing a GPS locator and a videocam — odd equipment for someone intent on ending his life."

Are you saying one of these two wasn't a suicide, but a murder? Are you all blather with no backup? Is that why you couldn't/wouldn't post links to your assertions?

[TheWraith]

18. I've heard all this crap before.

That article only lists six of the eight "mysterious" deaths that are claimed by other, similar nonsense publications. Trimming out some doesn't make it any less stupid, though. Particularly since John Frueh's death was NOT ruled a suicide by the coroner, it was ruled as a hiking accident, specifically an accidental fall. And even if it were a suicide, it shows how ridiculously far you have to go to classify as "suspiciously related" the death of someone who was not involved with the flight, was not assigned to either base, and in fact didn't work within a thousand miles of the place.

That article is extremely fact-free.

[Ghost in the Machine]

19. It's time for you to back up your assertions, or admit you're just blathering...

"Particularly since John Frueh's death was NOT ruled a suicide by the coroner, it was ruled as a hiking accident, specifically an accidental fall."


According to the link I posted:

The Sheriff’s Department in remote Skamania County, Washington, found Frueh’s rental car ten days later on the side of a road nearly 120 miles from the airport in a remote area of Badger Peak. Search dogs found his body in the woods. His death was ruled a suicide, though neither the sheriff’s investigator nor the medical examiner would give details.

Let's just start there, where is your proof of this?

[SDuderstadt]

11. You forgot one...

my great aunt Ruby. She waved at JFK in a different motorcade, but it was within a year of when JFK was actually killed.

She died suddenly of congestive heart failure. She was only 92. Very mysterious.

[Ghost in the Machine]

15. great aunt Ruby's hit squad was just asleep at the wheel...

:hi:

[zappaman]

16. great aunt ruby

was busy planning my dog "Patches" death.
in 1967, he died mysteriously under the wheels of a car.

[Ghost in the Machine]

17. I read somewhere that you vowed to never speak publicly about what REALLY happened

.. to the gerbil... :-)

[spooked911]

20. well, you know the motto of some here--

never let good evidence get in the way of an official conclusion.

[k-robjoe]

3. H.B. McLain

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Zp6Ciyq_cQ&feature=player_embedded

"Retired Dallas cop H.B. McLain, who rode in President Kennedy's motorcade when JFK was assassinated, shares some of his recollections of November 22, 1963."

( McLain was on a motorcycle, halfway down on Houston Street, facing the School Book Depository, waiting for the car behind to catch up, when the shots were heard. )

[Ghost in the Machine]

4. JFK assassination witness Sam Holland describes what he seen from the triple underpass

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soqwKWDqRsg&feature=related

[MinM]

12. Senator Richard Schweiker "the JFK assassination investigation was snuffed out before it even began"

http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/Warren_Commission

[MinM]

13. Nixon: "it was the greatest hoax that has ever been perpetuated,"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/1848157.stm

[Octafish]

21. ''My God! They're going to kill us all.''

Wonder who "They" are?

The Wounding of Governor John Connally

by Ron Hepler

The Single (Magic) Bullet Theory continues to endure as the official version of the wounding of Governor John Connally. Many highly regarded critics of the Warren Commission, rightly dismiss the idea that one bullet wounded both men, but accept the general time frame of the Governor's wounding. But if the presence of a fact, or the lack of a necessary fact makes a theory impossible; then that theory must be discarded, and a new theory developed which includes all of the known facts. To date what has been occurring is rather to ignore the evidence that doesn't fit the existing theory. I would like to offer a different scenario of the wounding of Governor Connally; one that is observable on the Zapruder film, is backed up by numerous testimony, and is supported by scientific evidence.

SNIP...

THE GOVERNOR CRIES OUT

According to the Warren Commission Report, `Observing his blood covered chest as he was pulled into his wife's lap, Governor Connally believed himself mortally wounded. He cried out, "Oh, no, no, no. My God, They are going to kill us all".'(14) It is quite evident on the Zapruder film that he was NOT yet covered with blood when he was pulled into Nellie's lap as is obvious in frame 273; and this sequence of events is not supported by the Connally's testimony to the HSCA, as noted earlier. But, he does appear to be mouthing these words during this period.

While it makes perfect sense for him to make such an exclamation after hearing the first shot, and prior to being wounded himself; it is ludicrous to expect this of a man who had " a sucking wound of the chest". This description of his chest wound and ruptured lung was given to the Warren Commission by Dr. Shaw as "...he had what we call a sucking wound of the chest. This would not allow him to breathe."(15) The "sucking wound of the chest" allows air to be inhaled and exhaled via the wound, rather than through the windpipe, larynx, etc. This inability to breathe would essentially eliminate any significant amount of air across the larynx, precluding his crying out.

Nellie supports the timing issue with her testimony to the Warren Commission, "...As the first shot was hit, and I turned to look at the same time, I recall John saying, `Oh, no, no, no., Then there was a second shot, and it hit John..."(16). She reinforced the timing with her statement to the HSCA, "...John had turned to his right also when we heard that first noise and shouted, `no, no, no,' and in the process of turning back around so that he could look back and see the President--I don't think he could see him when he turned to his right--the second shot was fired and hit him. (17) The Governor's statement to the HSCA indicates that he was having trouble keeping his story straight, "When I was hit, or shortly before I was hit--no, I guess it was after I was hit--I said first, just almost in despair, I said, "no, no, no,...". (18) This Freudian slip indicates that he actually made the statement before he was wounded, but that did not fit the official story and had to be altered.

CONTINUED...

http://www.acorn.net/jfkplace/09/fp.back_issues/18th_Issue/connally.html

Anyone remember a report that LBJ wanted Ralph Yarborough instead of the Connallys to accompany President and Mrs. Kennedy in the limousine that day?

[Bolo Boffin]

22. "he was having trouble keeping his story straight"

Thanks.