Excellent documentary on UFOs-- please watch

[spooked911]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GpadrhpUG0

It's clear the govt is keeping HUGE secrets from us. Admitting the existence of these alien craft and ETs would lead to an incredible transformation in our politics.

[zappaman]

1. sure

what's with all the ass probing though?
the aliens like doody?

[jberryhill]

2. Why do the aliens permit the government to cover up their existence?

Have the aliens figured out that the government is hiding them from everyone?

[spooked911]

3. 1) did you watch the video?

2) are you convinced these are real?

3) maybe they have motives we can only dimly understand. as someone said n the show, we're sort of like lab mice, trying to understand the civilization of humans by what they see of the lab tech through a cage and being manipulated at regular intervals by them.

[jberryhill]

4. No, I was responding to what you wrote

I'm much more interested in having actual conversations with actual people and their actual opinions than the sort of "hey look at this stuff that someone else put together" sort of thing.

You indicated, as you often have, that the US government is covering up the existence of space aliens visiting in UFOs.

My question goes to why do the aliens let the US government do that?

If your point is that we are like lab mice, then why do the aliens cooperate with the US government to conceal their own existence?

[spooked911]

5. my point was -- "how the hell should I understand an alien civilization"?

Beyond that, I got the feeling that you weren't taking this seriously. But if you watch the show, you will see it is impossible not to take it seriously.

[jberryhill]

6. An hour and a half for a schlocky History Channel TV show?

No thanks.

Perhaps you might like to explain how the aliens don't seem to get around the government secrecy, though.

[spooked911]

7. first tell me if you think there is evidence of ET visitation

otherwise, it is a waste of time with you.

[jberryhill]

11. It doesn't matter

Assuming the existence of ET visitation, how is it that the aliens are unable to make themselves known directly?

My question assumes the existence of aliens.

Do they know that their existence is being covered up by the government? Yes or no. They've obviously gotten quite good at observing us by now, no?

[spooked911]

15. I wouldn't say they are "unable". They clearly are able to make themselves known.

I'm sure they know their existence is being covered up, presumably they want that or don't care-- right?

[spooked911]

8. I wouldn't define it as "schlocky" either. The production values were quite good.

Thanks for being open-minded about this!

[zappaman]

9. Can you lay out your evidence

that the moon is actually a giant spaceship and they have the earth under quarantine?
doesn't seem to be in the documentary...

[spooked911]

16. here

http://www.anonymousphysicist.com/quarantine.htm

[zappaman]

18. LOL!

Seriously, do you just believe EVERYTHING you read?

[spooked911]

21. NO

do you?

Seems like you swallow the official mainstream media bullshit quite happily.

[zappaman]

28. that site is probably THE most full of shit site I've ever seen!

Doesn't it embarrass you that even the lowly birthers have a better grasp on reality?

[frogmarch]

12. Why do you assume

aliens are cooperating with the US government to conceal their own existence?

Maybe aliens don't find Earthlings all that fascinating and only pop by now and then. There could be any number of reasons UFO sightings aren't common. Have you heard of the Zoo Hypothesis?

I suppose it's fun for some people to giggle and poke fun at those who consider ET visitors a possibility, but someday the gigglers may be the ones being ridiculed.

Dr. Bernard Haisch, Director of the California Institute for Physics and Astrophysics and editor of the Journal of Scientific Exploration for twelve years said this: “I propose that true skepticism is called for today: neither the gullible acceptance of true belief nor the closed-minded rejection of the scoffer masquerading as the skeptic. Any scientist who has not read a few serious books and articles presenting actual UFO evidence should out of intellectual honesty refrain from making scientific pronouncements. To look at the evidence and go away unconvinced is one thing. To not look at the evidence and be convinced against it nonetheless is another. That is not science. Do your homework!”

I think the same advice should apply to everyone, not just to scientists: Know the material. Don't shoot off your mouth just to hear noise.

[AlwaysQuestion]

25. Yep........

frogmarch - You are spot on when you suggest we shouldn't shoot our mouths off until we've done our homework. I haven't yet read the material suggested by Spooked; however, just as a matter of course, I dismiss categorically little of anything in matters of the sciences simply because I know intuitively that man hasn't even begun to scrape the surface of "what's out there." When one thinks about it, man is more destructive than constructive. Think of the trillions and trillions of dollars we've forked out on wars when such monies could have been put to use researching the brain, the source of every idea or action man has or will ever have. Had man evolved in a more altruistic way, goodness knows what we would have discovered by now, but instead, we continue to repeat everything that sooner or later results in destruction. Almost area of the world has had its day in "the sun" but have managed to ruin a good thing. And so it is, that it's the U.S. and its allies that are well on the way to self-destruct. Oh, sorry about that, kind of got off topic.

[RKP5637]

38. +1000 +++, n/t

[defendandprotect]

14. Anyone's guess ... but presumably because population is so given to FEAR/PROPAGANDA.....

I don't know if I actually believe the 1939 "War of the Worlds" --

it doesn't really make all that much sense that no one understood the panic

in the nation? Not likely --

Rather, it may have been a scam to convince some that the info shouldn't be released?


But, those in power also have the power of manipulation -- how many UFO ships would have

to land to convince people that there were such things?

Those who control our Goebbels' style press would either be calling it an invasion or

suggesting it didn't happen. How long would the space ships have to stay to convince

us otherwise?


We're still denying the huge Phoenix UFO -- still in denial of Roswell -- still in denial

of the long term sightings in Mexico -- on and on -- on and on -- you know the song!


No matter how many pilots, witnesses whatever tell the public otherwise -- the megaphone

of the elite pops up immediately to tell the public not to believe their own eyes and ears!!

And they don't!!

[RKP5637]

39. +1000 +++, n/t

[BobbyBoring]

17. The aliens ARE the government

Obama and Hillary are Greens. Most rethugs are Grays except Bohner who is an Orange. Very rare the Oranges!

[zappaman]

19. LOL!

This thread is full of laughs!
Great parodies of David Ickes!
Thank you everybody!
:rofl:

[spooked911]

22. I like it

:)

[frogmarch]

10. This might explain why.

Scholarly literature on UFO:

http://www.hyper.net/ufo/literature.html

snip:

Some scientists contend that humanity is by design kept unaware of what is happening around us, much like gorillas in a wildlife preserve park, known as the "Zoo hypothesis":

"Recently astrophysicist Ken Olum at Tufts University argued (src) that anthropic reasoning applied to inflation theory predicts that we should find ourselves part of a large, galaxy-sized civilization, implying that the "We are alone" solution to Fermi's paradox is inconsistent with our best current theory of cosmology. Beatriz Gato-Rivera, a physicist at the Instituto de Matematicas y Fisica in Madrid, followed up on this (src) with the hypothesis that Olum is correct, but that by design we would be kept unaware of a greatly advanced surrounding civilization. She also argues that modern superstring and M-brane theory further aggravate Fermi's "missing alien" problem.

It is quite strange that while our best modern physics and astrophysics theories thus predict that we should be experiencing extraterrestrial visitation, any possible evidence of such in the form of a subset of UFO reports is ignored or ridiculed."
-- astrophysicist Bernard Haisch, Ph.D. www.ufoskeptic.org, referring to Inflation Theory Implications for Extraterrestrial Visitation (.PDF) paper by J. Deardorff, B. Haisch, B. Maccabee and H.E. Puthoff, in Journal of the British Interplanetary Society, Vol 58, pp. 43-50, 2005.

~~

Snip from Inflation Theory Implications for Extraterrestrial Visitation(.PDF) http://www.ufoskeptic.org/JBIS.pdf

7. Conclusions

Despite the UFO phenomenon having continued now
for over two generations, the huge technological head
start of the presumed ETs would still come as a great
shock to many scientists as well as citizenry, as the
Brookings Report indicated <47>. It could be so great
as to seriously challenge our consensual reality, a
not insignificant danger. The implication that we
would be powerless relative to their presumed capabilities
and evolutionary advantage may be most unwelcome,
with it being no surprise that science would
have difficulty coming to terms with the situation
<48>. Nevertheless, the reality of the phenomenon
and of our having long since been discovered by
advanced ETs now may be more probable than that
Fermi’s paradox is to be resolved through either the
non-existence of advanced ETs or their inability to
explore or colonise the galaxy. Hence open scientific
research on the subject is needed with special attention
paid to high quality UFO reports exhibiting apparent indications
that ET intelligence and strategy
are involved.

~~~~~

I recommend reading the entire paper. Very interesting!
Links at the first URL I posted above contain good info too.

[RKP5637]

40. Thanks for this! n/t

[defendandprotect]

13. Probably the highest secret they're keeping -- along with Global Warming ....

Btw, think it's time this website grew up about UFO's?

:evilgrin:

[zappaman]

20. more funny stuff!

Guys, you are on fire today!
"think it's time this website grew up about UFO's?"
:rofl:

[spooked911]

23. apparently *you* haven't

shocking, I know

[zappaman]

24. yes, because believing the moon is one big spacecraft is sooooo adult!

:rofl:

[spooked911]

26. who said I believed that?

It's not my religion or anything. It's just an interesting idea. You don't have to act like a 13 year old.

[zappaman]

27. you have

repeatedly.
hey, if you like to believe science fiction is real, knock yourself out.
just don't expect anyone else to go along with your fantasies.

[spooked911]

29. show me where I said I believed that

In any case, the OP was about UFOs being a real entity and a massive secret the govt is hiding from us. Do you concur or not?

[zappaman]

30. Nope. I don't concur with either.

So, the Earth isn't under quarantine by aliens?
And the moon isn't a spaceship?

[spooked911]

31. Well, obviously your mind is closed on the topic. Congratulations!

You haven't shown me where I said I believed the moon was a spaceship.

[zappaman]

32. Haven't bothered to look, but my mind is open.

Unlike you, I need solid evidence.
Are you saying you don't believe the moon could be a spaceship?

[spooked911]

33. if you're mind is open, did you watch the video and then what did you think?

I already addressed your question.

[zappaman]

34. yes, it's crap

you do know the difference between science and science fiction, right?
oh, I did that search you requested...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x286909#287025

[spooked911]

35. why is it crap?

and do you object to anything I said in that thread?

[zappaman]

36. it's entertainment

spooked, why do you think the history channel made this show?
to get out important info?
or for ratings?
people love the unexplained.
think about it.

and yes, that thread had some of the highest concentration of woo I've ever seen.
anyone who thinks we did not go to the moon has serious mental issues.

[spooked911]

37. I don't hear you saying the info was wrong

which is kind of an important point.

Of course, it is infotainment. Doesn't mean it is crap.

[spooked911]

41. is it wrong or not?

Isn't almost everything in the media "entertainment" in some way?

[zappaman]

42. yes, spooked it is wrong

fabricated, made up, whatever you want to call it.
here, go tell everyone how the moon landings were faked.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1892737

[spooked911]

43. I bet you didn't even watch it.

And this thread has nothing to do with the Apollo missions. You're just trying to change the subject.

[zappaman]

44. no, spooked

your beliefs about how we never went to the moon goes to your credibility and gullible acceptance of the OP.
you read alot of science fiction and have gotten confused.
so, I'll just give you the same sad smile your friends and family do when you go on about the earth being under quarantine and back away slowly...

[spooked911]

45. So, you didn't watch it, I take it.

If you did, perhaps you could tell me exactly who was lying and why.

[spooked911]

46. still waiting to hear why you think it is crap

except that I posted it-- is that the only reason?

[spooked911]

47. I guess you have no legitimate reason to think it is crap?