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Thu Feb-07-08 01:46 AM
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Poll question: DU candidate support by gender |
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Who do you support and what is your gender?
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Thu Feb-07-08 01:47 AM
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Thu Feb-07-08 01:56 AM
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2. Where the hell is Gravel in your poll? |
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Thu Feb-07-08 01:58 AM
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Thu Feb-07-08 02:09 AM
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5. Real? Who's more real than Gravel? |
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If, on the other hand, you want to debate electability and war chests and support from the powers that be you win.
Gravel doesn't have any of those. He just has great ideas.
Ideas are boring...
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Thu Feb-07-08 12:30 PM
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21. This is a two-person race now. Gravel is out of it... |
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no matter what his positions are.
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Thu Feb-07-08 10:49 PM
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27. I'm still voting for him.... |
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Unfortunately, he's not even a write-in candidate in Ohio. I'll write him in anyway, knowing that they won't even count my vote.
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Thu Feb-07-08 02:07 AM
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Thu Feb-07-08 02:24 AM
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I didn't think it would matter much because I vote late (PA) but it's starting to look like it is going to matter and might even be for the whole ball of wax. I went from hoping Gore or Clark would get in to ardently supporting Edwards. Since he's out I'm sort of floating around waiting for someone to impress me but it hasn't happened yet. As of now I have no idea who I'm going to vote for. I need to be persuaded into someone's camp.
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Thu Feb-07-08 02:27 AM
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7. I supported the same people you did in that order, except am firmly with Obama now |
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I liked his opposition to the Iraq war and his health care plan, as I don't like the idea of mandates esp before poor folks can afford them. I also liked his work on fed ethics reform.
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Thu Feb-07-08 02:43 AM
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8. Voted for Obama but regret not voting for Hillary because I am fed up with all the personal attacks |
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on her and misogyny in the media. And I have had about enough of Huffington Post to last the rest of my life. Barak is electrifying and irresistible as hell, but Hillary is a proven workhorse who can fight like a mama lion and maintain her dignity and her message in the face of the most cutting, soul-destroying assaults. I have some disagreements with her on certain votes in the Senate, but Barak's record isn't a 100% perfect match for me either. I have complete confidence in Hillary's talents, her determination, her intellect, and her ability to put together an administration that even Bill himself will envy. So I hate like hell how she is expected to live up to an impossible double standard simply because of her gender. I know if any of one of us Democratic women -- yes, I mean YOU and ME -- were running for POTUS, we would be subjected to the same endless bull crap in a way that no man of any shade would be. I am fed up with all of it.
So yes I voted for Barak because he's a thrill a minute and even I was buying into the negative hype about Hillary Clinton. But if I could vote over again, I'd probably vote for her, and proudly.
Oh, and I am a black woman, so there!
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Thu Feb-07-08 02:50 AM
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We don't need someone who hunkers down and fights like a lion against republicans. That will only ensure that nothing gets done, the same way nothing has been done for the past 16 years.
We need someone who reaches out to them and gets them to sign onto a more progressive vision. That requires charisma, political skills, and most importantly someone who isn't divisive and polarizing like HRC.
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Thu Feb-07-08 02:59 AM
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11. I think she's shown that she can dance with the devil to get something done |
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like Lindsey Graham, for instance.
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Thu Feb-07-08 03:06 AM
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Remember the Health Care debacle?
Clinton hasn't done much of anything since she's been in the senate.
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Thu Feb-07-08 03:01 AM
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12. John Edwards said that wouldn't work. |
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Obama is naive. Edwards said "You can't make nice with these people" referring to the corporate-owned Republicans, and the CEOs of the corporations.
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Thu Feb-07-08 03:11 AM
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15. How utterly naive...... |
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Edited on Thu Feb-07-08 03:12 AM by ClintonTyree
to think that anyone can "reach out to them and get them to sign onto a more progressive vision" is either a political dilettante or a hopeless dreamer. THEY don't compromise and to think that Obama can magically transform them is ludicrous.
But that's what the "hope" of Obama's campaign relies upon. Reality doesn't enter the equation. "Change" is a lot easier said than done. And what will young Mr. Obama do when the Republicans shit all over his "hope", as they certainly will? NOTHING is going to change the way Republicans run their machine, and some moon-eyed political neophyte from Illinois isn't going to change that. "Hope" is good, but it's worth nothing. It's intangible, an emotion, and the right isn't known for it's emotionality.
The entire Obama campaign is predicated upon this one idea that THEY are the ones that can change everything about politics within the beltway. Ain't gonna' happen. Then what?
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Thu Feb-07-08 03:27 AM
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And I'll let you stew in your "us v. them" mentality while BO continues to draw republicans and independents...
The mentality reflected in your post is exactly why I won't vote for HRC, no matter what, in the GE.
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Thu Feb-07-08 04:58 AM
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17. Which is why I define Obama supporters.... |
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as a cult. If you can't have it YOUR way you're not going to play. So many of Obama's supporters are political neophytes that, if faced with choices not exactly to their liking, will just fold up their tents and give up.
Yes, I'm a Clinton supporter, but I'd vote for Obama in an instant over ANY Republican. Too bad your cult worship doesn't extend to any Democrat and you can't say the same. Or are you even a Democrat? :shrug:
Perhaps you didn't like what I said, but can you refute it? Obama's message is "hope" and "change". Both are intangible. All form and no substance. But you go ahead and cut off your nose to spite your face. I find many Obama supporters are like that: immature, political dilettantes completely unschooled in the realities of modern day political necessity. You've got "hope", and that's all that matters to you.
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Thu Feb-07-08 08:36 AM
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18. truth in what you say... |
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however how DO you engage political neophytes long enough so they will even vote?
One sure way to get people's attention is with the time-honored "hope and change" message. Sound bites are what people react to, esp the young. Personalities are the attraction in America. How I 'feel' about this candidate is more important than what they stand for. It would take too long to really understand the nuances of their policies. The candidate who makes people feel good (or secure, or whatever) will have the edge. It's all in the marketing.
One thing people understand--B*sh has been a disaster, an unmitigated nightmare. All they hear is the word "change" and they flock to whoever says it best. Can't blame them for that, but I agree they have a big disconnect between the rhetoric and how anything will actually get done in the toxic environment of Washington.
We who have seen this play out time and again are skeptical of these pep rally campaign scenarios. We don't need the hype and the short-term bonding over candidates. We don't need a rock star. We just want someone who can coordinate, communicate, and make effective decisions for the good of ALL, not just the few. But instead we're reduced to watching The Gladiators in the ring whether we like it or not.
American elections are circuses. Personally I'd like to see the system undergo a radical transformation but there are many forces against that.
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Thu Feb-07-08 12:57 PM
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but the democratic party machine means nothing to me. I don't support candidates based on their party affiliation. To me THAT is naive. I certainly wouldn't have hesitated getting behind Edwards and a number of others. But I will not vote for her.
But please, continue to pat yourself on the back for being oh so "schooled in the realities of modern day political necessity."
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Fri Feb-08-08 06:19 AM
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33. You just prooved my point.... |
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You're attracted to a charismatic person, whether he's even remotely qualified, and will not support another Democrat in the eventuality that they're nominated. You're not a Democrat, you're a cultist. And you DO NOT have any knowledge of "the realities of modern day political necessity". If you DID, then you'd realize that ANY Democrat is better than ANY Republican in the White House and vote accordingly. But no, it's either your cult leader or no one. You're not a Democrat, you're a fool, of the highest order, and I'm more than sick of that cultist attitude that many Obama supporters bring to this debate.
Go ahead, cut your nose off to spite your face. Just know that you and your ilk may be responsible for allowing another Republican to waltz into the White House because of your abject ignorance.
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Thu Feb-07-08 03:03 AM
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Like say Edwards or something like that?
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Thu Feb-07-08 08:39 AM
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19. Female proudly for Obama |
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Thu Feb-07-08 08:39 AM
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20. Gender and race are nothing but wedge issues by the right |
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Thu Feb-07-08 12:46 PM
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24. Black woman for Hillary. |
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Thu Feb-07-08 01:35 PM
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26. Where all the white women at? |
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Thu Feb-07-08 10:56 PM
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I'm a Biden/Edwards/Dodd/Richardson/Kucinich/Gravel supporter, but I will vote for whoever the nominee is.
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Thu Feb-07-08 11:21 PM
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31. non white , female. Hillary. |
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Fri Feb-08-08 06:21 AM
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34. what this shows is there are more males than females on DU |
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