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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 03:32 PM Original message |
Health Care Reform 2009: No Bill is Better Than a Bad Bill by John Geyman MD |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 03:35 PM Response to Original message |
1. tell that to people with a pre-existing condition, or to those who have had coverage dropped because |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 04:14 PM Response to Reply #1 |
12. Maybe you should tell that to everyone who can't afford useless private insurance |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 04:43 PM Response to Reply #12 |
19. People who can't afford insurance will get help if the bill passes |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 09:44 PM Response to Reply #19 |
43. If there is no bill, insurance CEOs won't get $1 trillion of taxpayer money |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 04:29 PM Response to Reply #1 |
14. You didn't criticize the Senate's 6 month waiting period for pre-existing conditions coverage. |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 04:41 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Per your article, house bill does not have that waiting period |
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LovinLife (366 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 03:36 PM Response to Original message |
2. U can always add to a bad bill later. u can't add to nothing tho. nt |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 03:58 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. Like No Child Left Behind, or The Iraqi War Resolution. Yeah! Or NAFTA |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 04:31 PM Response to Reply #2 |
15. They are doing that right now with really bad amendments! They are making a bad bill worse! |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 03:38 PM Response to Original message |
3. And I'm sure the crotchety old professor has great health care and plenty of money in the bank |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 03:43 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Just what I was thinking about his |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 03:44 PM Response to Original message |
5. A couple good counter-arguments:What Social Security Teaches Us/The House Public Plan: Yes, It's Wor |
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Aramchek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 04:02 PM Response to Original message |
7. some people are OK with over 40,000 people dying each year for no real reason |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 04:08 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. I have no health care and I see no reason to waste our chance on reform with Romney Care. |
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Aramchek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 05:25 PM Response to Reply #9 |
20. the passage of this Bill is the death knell of the Insurance Industry |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 05:34 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. How the fuck will "big insurance suffocate" |
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Aramchek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 05:41 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. because they will be forced to have lower rates, profit margins will drop |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 06:01 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. And when exactly would this fairy tale scenario of yours take place? |
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Aramchek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 06:20 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. It is taking place right now. They're about to vote on it. |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 07:07 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. And if the DLC would have been in charge of the Civil Rights bill |
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Aramchek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 07:17 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. you're fighting a nonexistent enemy. there are very few DLCers here. |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 07:23 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. Whether or not you are a DLC'er, you are buying into their fairy tale |
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Aramchek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 07:30 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. the bill is not Single Payer, but it doesn't suck by any means |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 07:33 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. "but if it started out like that, it would be virtual single payer." |
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Aramchek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 07:37 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. they would most definitely go out of business, and their stocks would plummet. |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 07:42 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. Which economy would that be, exactly? |
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Aramchek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 08:11 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. no point in trying to argue this, you are obviously irrational |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 08:23 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. What the fuck ever |
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Aramchek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 08:25 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. irrational = thinking Wall Street is a fictional economy |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 08:41 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. Wall street is a bunch of fucking criminals pushing paper around |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 07:33 PM Response to Reply #20 |
33. Like in MA? |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 07:33 PM Response to Reply #7 |
31. Health insurance != health care. |
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Thrill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 04:04 PM Response to Original message |
8. Nothing but single payer will make some happy |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 04:12 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Some people can't grasp that this bill doesn't contain costs. If costs aren't contained peope |
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andym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 04:22 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. I think this is an important point, but I think the current bill will control costs |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 04:37 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. If you read the article, you will notice that there is an out as far as the percentages of the take |
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andym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 07:31 PM Response to Reply #16 |
30. Nevertheless, the bill is projected by the CBO to strongly slow the increase in health cost premiums |
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andym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 04:14 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. Campaign finance reform is a start, but it would not be enough |
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flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 04:41 PM Response to Original message |
18. PNHP wants single payer. Impossible with the Congress and campaign finance system we have. |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 06:28 PM Response to Original message |
25. yes, it's a crap bill, but failure to pass anything will be |
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ej510 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 07:54 PM Response to Reply #25 |
37. Passing this bill doesn't help our nation. Health Insurance |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 08:42 PM Response to Reply #37 |
42. if that happens, the reform will be seen as a failure |
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Politicub (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 07:45 PM Response to Original message |
36. So says the good Doctor who has great health care coverage |
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