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Sat Nov-07-09 11:50 PM
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This bill sucks and it will be worse after it comes out of the Senate |
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to form a disastrous piece of legislation after the bill has lobbied again. If you think this is bad wait until you see the final product. :puke:
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Sat Nov-07-09 11:51 PM
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1. Thpffffft. You Debbie Downers should really form a support group. nt |
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Sat Nov-07-09 11:52 PM
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Sat Nov-07-09 11:52 PM
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2. Okay then. Perhaps the Senate will kill it and make you happy then |
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we can all wait for that magical day when single payer comes up for a vote. Good luck with that.
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Sun Nov-08-09 02:28 AM
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Does your employer pay you extra for every personal attack?
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Sat Nov-07-09 11:53 PM
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4. No I am a realist. I notice when I am being sold a pile of shit. |
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Sat Nov-07-09 11:55 PM
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7. People who call themselves realists do a great disservice to reality... |
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The reality of a realist is always doom and gloom. Your reality sucks.
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Sun Nov-08-09 12:10 AM
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15. You have ZERO sense of POLITICAL reality. You make ADVANCES, not gigantic leaps. Take a chill pill! |
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Sun Nov-08-09 02:30 AM
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37. Nobody from Maine should be trying to lecture anybody on advances right about now |
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Sat Nov-07-09 11:53 PM
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5. Ooh, show us your crystal ball! |
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Sat Nov-07-09 11:55 PM
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6. The bill has a lot of good things in it. |
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Hopefully, the Stupak amendment will be stripped out of the bill in conference.
Anyone who would prefer to have the bill fail than pass, doesn't know much about history. Social Security and Medicare legislation wasn't perfect either. They were both strengthened over time.
The final healthcare bill will too.
But, in the end, I really don't give a damn anymore what any of you "failure is the only option" DU members think.
This is an historic night and I will relish in it.
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Sat Nov-07-09 11:58 PM
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9. The day people were forced to buy insurance from predators. |
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Sun Nov-08-09 02:32 AM
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38. Do you also hope the corporate mandates are stripped out in conference? |
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Because those are every bit as sickening as the Stupid-ak amendment. And will do even more damage in the long run.
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Sat Nov-07-09 11:57 PM
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8. Would You Like a Xanax Dear? |
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Perhaps that would help...
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Sun Nov-08-09 12:00 AM
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10. It is a good start. I am happy. |
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Sun Nov-08-09 12:05 AM
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11. Oh piss on you ! You have no sense at all of political reality. It is an ADVANCE not the whole war. |
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Lighten up, get real, and understand we need an ADVANCE in this REAL world. Quit pissing and moaning with your half empty glass and be encouraged we are making a START. SHEESH!
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Sun Nov-08-09 12:07 AM
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Sun Nov-08-09 12:07 AM
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13. Not perfect, but sadly the best we can get due to the political reality. We need MORE |
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progressives in order to achieve the kind of true reform that we want. But again, this is the best that can get at the moment, and there are some good things in this bill. It's not all bad...
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Sun Nov-08-09 12:09 AM
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14. And it can be improved over time. But we at least need a start ! (Good Post) |
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Sun Nov-08-09 12:15 AM
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16. I have hope that the bill represents a pragmatic approach to what is possible. Change takes time. |
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Unfortunately there are power elites that will go to the grave before they give up that power. Getting money out of politics is another important step, but it's just going to take some time.
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Sun Nov-08-09 12:54 AM
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It is not perfect. IMO, anyone who claims it is perfect and anyone who claims there is nothing good about the bill has not read it. It is a start and is better than nothing. I believe it can be made better further down the line. It is a start and a damn good one considering what we had to work with.
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Sun Nov-08-09 12:15 AM
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17. Thank You Eric Cantor and John Boehner! |
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Sun Nov-08-09 12:18 AM
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18. Thanks for your concern. |
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Seriously. :puke: indeed.
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Sun Nov-08-09 12:21 AM
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19. A democratic house passed a rightwing bill. It shows |
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you how far our politicians have moved to the right.
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Sun Nov-08-09 03:29 AM
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41. Obviously a rightwing bill, evidenced by all the support it gained |
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from the Republicans and the blue dogs
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Sun Nov-08-09 12:42 AM
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20. No viable public option, a crappy exchange instead! |
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By the time it gets through the large intestine the Senate, we will have an even worse bill.
And we are supposed to rejoice about this anti-abortion rights legislation?
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Sun Nov-08-09 12:45 AM
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21. I don't understand all the fuss on either side. |
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So much fervent opposition to a weak bill.
So much fervent cheering for a weak bill.
All that, and women's reproductive health and freedoms are thrown into the trash, to boot.
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Sun Nov-08-09 12:48 AM
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22. If this pile of shit was presented by a repuke congress, |
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no one on this board would support it.
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Sun Nov-08-09 12:53 AM
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23. If Bush were planning to escalate the war in Afghanistan, DUers would condemn him |
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but since it is a Democratic President, DUers will cheer the war. There seems to be a pattern here!
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Sun Nov-08-09 12:56 AM
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26. No, not really. I supported this bill passing but don't support escalating the war |
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or us even being over there. Not everyone here falls in little boxes.
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Sun Nov-08-09 12:56 AM
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27. So true my friend. I got cursed out for stating we need to |
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get out of the middle east.
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Sun Nov-08-09 12:59 AM
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28. This bill doesn't control the cost. |
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The bill that comes out of the Senate will have more holes in it than a sinking ship.
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Sun Nov-08-09 01:01 AM
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29. If only you were an authority instead of someone who spoke |
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in bumper sticker talk, you might have some credibility.
Sorry, but I worked and elected Barack Obama because I trusted him.... you, anonymous person on the Internet, not so much.
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Sun Nov-08-09 01:10 AM
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31. I worked and got Obama elected to. |
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As a young black man in America I am lucky to be alive. I was extremely proud when he got elected, but he is President now and when I disagree with him I will let it be known. I want the brotha to succeed, but I think he is doing somethings the wrong way.
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Sun Nov-08-09 01:26 AM
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32. As a middle age Black Woman, I think you've got it twisted..... |
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Tonight, we as a country made history... and we also made history when Sotamayor was sworn in, and we will make more history under President Obama....
It ain't about what you want that will actually get something achieved, nor about how loud you whine on the Internet.... it's about what we can actually get done.
Obama has achieved more doing it his way, than you could ever even dream of.
38 Million Americans, many of them minority, will now be able to go see a doctor.... this will help prevent unwanted pregnancies, improve prenatal health, and therefore, reduce infant mortality. Many of our brothers and sisters will be able to get tested for HIV and then get some treatment; same for high blood pressure, diabetes, and the other fatal ailments that hurt our community more than many others....
so if he's doing it wrong, he should keep right on doing it exactly that way.
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Sun Nov-08-09 01:37 AM
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33. He's done more good things than bad, but he's done |
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some messed stuff to. Frenchiecat I got love for you. We argued together during the primaries and the general election. I have no beef with you just a disagreement. :-)
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Sun Nov-08-09 01:48 AM
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34. Debating is the name of the game on a political forum..... |
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but like I said, you being against this health bill is rather odd..... as most Black folks tend to be realists, considering so many things they have had to do without......so when the "not so perfect" comes knocking at the door, you normally would let him in.....certainly better than no knock ever.
Just think if Black Folks would have held out for the perfect civil rights bill from the get go.... where would we be?
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Sun Nov-08-09 01:54 AM
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35. I agree, with you. As I have gotten older I have become more active |
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in politics. I am a realist, and I realize Ron Dellums may be the worst mayor Oakland has ever had. lol!
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Sun Nov-08-09 02:50 AM
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To date, I have to agree about Dellums!
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Sun Nov-08-09 03:23 AM
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40. Fuck, it barely passed as is |
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But I suppose a coach's couch quarterback could have given us the world on a string, reduced the defecit, and stopped global climate change in the same bill, one hand tied behind their ass, right?
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