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AnnInLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 09:13 AM
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Archbishop will skip salute to Landrieus
Hughes snubs Loyola, honorees
Archbishop will skip salute to Landrieus
Friday, May 06, 2005
By Bruce Nolan
Staff writer

Archbishop Alfred Hughes announced Thursday he will not attend commencement ceremonies at Loyola University next week because of the Catholic university's decision to award the Landrieu family an honorary degree in part for their exemplary public Catholicism.

Two of Moon and Verna Landrieu's children, U.S. Sen. Mary Landrieu and Lt. Gov. Mitch Landrieu, support abortion rights in their public lives, with reservations.

http://www.nola.com/news/t-p/frontpage/index.ssf?/base/news-3/1115361252207070.xml
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 09:22 AM
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1. Got any contact information for this coward?
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AnnInLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 09:50 AM
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4. Unfortunately, no
Am not a Catholic, so don't know all the "Catholic" resources in LA.
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 09:56 AM
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5. Let them
Edited on Sat May-07-05 09:59 AM by Malva Zebrina
soon they will have to resort to isolationist methods as they continue to humiliate other human beings simply because those others do not follow THEIR authoritarian, misogynistic religious beliefs. Soon the pews will be empty as "real" Catholics realize that what their leaders are telling them to obey, is immoral.

Pugnacious, vengeful punishing Arch Bishops seem to fit the Benedict mold quite nicely now.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 09:24 AM
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2. Yet they support politicians who supported the war and the death penalty
Even though the Catholic Church condemns both.

I still don't understand churches, or why they matter. I mean, when I read about the leader of some church throwing out Dems or making hypocritical gestures like this, I just wonder why anyone cares. I'm sure the KKK boycotts these things, and there are probably some garden clubs somewhere who are offended by honorary doctorates given to people who wear white after Labor Day, but I just don't see why these voluntary clubs matter.

I mean, shouldn't anyone with children boycott anything honoring the Catholic Church, if we follow their logic? Perhaps the Archbishop should read the passage in his little book about judging not lest he be judged.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 11:01 AM
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8. The Catholic Church does not expressly forbid war or capital punishment.

It does expressly forbid abortion and euthanasia. Catholics are not to have abortions or euthanasia or to participate in causing either. It's not so clearcut with war and capital punishment.

War is to be avoided, according to the Catechism of the Roman Catholic Church, updated in 1994, whenever possible but the Church maintains the teaching that there can be a "just war." Because the U.S. was allegedly attacked by Osama's men and Osama was hiding in Afghanistan, we were justified in going into Afghanistan to remove Osama and other Al Qaeda. Pope John Paul II said that the invasion of war was morally justified but, as you seemingly know, he opposed the invasion of Iraq from the get-go, and spoke out against it many times, sent an emissary to D.C. to try to talk Bush out of it, sent another emissary to Baghdad to try to work out a plan to prevent war. The pope was not pleased at civilian casualties in Afghanistan, either; a "just war" does everything possible to avoid harming noncombatants or nonmilitary sites. Had he been younger or in better health the past three years, I think he'd have

The Catechism says the death penalty is to be avoided in favor of imprisonment for life and makes a statement to the effect that it is extremely difficult to conceive of a circumstance in which it is needed in the modern world. Death penalty supporters like Antonin Scalia are correct to say that they're within Church teachings, as maddening as I find that.

I personally support the "seamless garment of life" ethic taught by the late Cardinal Bernardin, and don't understand why all Catholics don't agree on this. The seamless garment approach or what John Paul II called the "culture of life" lone before Dim Son stole the phrase, says that all deliberate killing is wrong and we should all work to end it, working to reduce the perceived need for abortion, for euthanasia, for capital punishment, and for war. It all goes back to obeying Catholic social teachings based on the Gospel of Jesus: caring for the poor, the homeless, the sick, the dying, all those in need.

To extend your proposal to protect children, people with children should boycott any organization that hires men, since 1-2% of all men (including 1-2% of all Catholic priests) are pedophiles. In fact, the best way to keep a child safe from pedophiles is to raise children away from men altogether. If you read up on pedophilia, most who engage in sexual activity with children are married men, who often prey on their own kids.

I don't mind people criticizing the Catholic Church when they have their facts straight and are reasonably polite about it but almost no one at DU seems capable of doing both. I think you're a person who listens to facts, so I hope I've clarified a couple of things for you re: Catholic teaching on war and capital punishment.

I agree that churches, like garden clubs, are voluntary in membership, so people shouldn't really care what they do as long as they do no physical harm to others or impinge on the rights of nob-members. Those who don't like the Catholic Church are not required to be Catholic and have no business telling us how our Church should be run or what we should or should not believe. That is what tolerance is all about.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 01:51 PM
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9. Thanks
I feel clarified. I remember Cardinal Bernardin. Always liked him.

On pedophilia, perhaps I'm wrong, but the impression I had was that several of these priests were caught or accused before, and were allowed to transfer to different parishes, rather than being either defrocked, or at least forbidden to work around children again. I realize the whole issue was hyped by the media, etc., but a public school system that simply transfered teachers who were caught molesting children would be ripped to shreds, too. I also realize that orders are a sacrament to the Church, and therefore not something you simply remove from someone, but that didn't protect the children around these priests.

I wasn't condemning the whole Catholic Church, but I still find this Archbishop to be highly hypocritical, and highly political. I'm sure without much digging you could find someone this Archbishop has honored who violates something forbidden to Catholics. Birth control comes to mind. At one time the Church believed that birth control in any way was exactly equal to abortion. I'm not sure of the current Church's position on it. I'll bet that you could find someone this archbishop has supported somewhere who supported or even used birth control.
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votefordan Donating Member (91 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 11:37 PM
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10. Catholics are not supppsed to HAVE abortions
But does that mean that they have to legislate them away?

I don't think Mary Landrieu has ever HAD an abortion. Maybe she feels that abortions could be better reduced by better education and reducing the number of unwanted pregnancies.

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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 09:33 AM
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3. If the honorary degree is for Moon and Verna Landrieu,

the archbishop should probably go to the ceremony. But if it's for the entire family, with two of the adult children being public officials publicly supporting abortion, he's right to refuse to attend. Public support for abortion "rights" is hardly "exemplary public Catholicism."

The hierarchy shouldn't show honor to people who go against Catholic teaching. Neither should a Catholic university like Loyola. I'm getting tired of Catholic politicians and colleges who don't stand by Catholic teaching on abortion, trying to have it both ways with the "although I personally oppose abortion" disclaimer. That's like saying "I personally would never commit murder because of my Catholic beliefs, but I support the rights of others to commit murder."

(And I do get weary of DUers acting as if Catholics must conform to all secular demands but Muslims, to name but one example, can not only oppose abortion and homosexuality, but have five wives, behead adulteresses, cut off thieves' hands, etc., with DUers' blessings, because "It's their culture.")

Other than that, laissez les bon temps rouleur, and I wish I could be at the Cafe du Monde right this minute. ;-)

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sallyseven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 10:07 AM
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6. Cafe du Monde sounds great.
The catholic church talks out of both sides of their mouth. They try to cover up pedophile priest, give out annulments to rich people, preside over gangster's funerals, lie for gangsters, stick their nose in everyones business and comport themselves as virtuous but they are not. I am no longer a catholic because I see what they do and have done in the pass. They are becoming as vicious and obnoxious as the churches that throw out democrats. I will never forgive the new pope for telling churches that Kerry is a bad guy. He is the worse pope ever. I despise him for being a hypocrite. The catholic church is sliding down the hole of pompous irrelevance and will no longer be a force when the people wake up to the fact that none of the churches are acting in a Christian like manner. Love each other faults and all.
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lavenderdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 10:12 AM
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7. what happened to Archbishop Shannon?
wasn't that his name? he had been in New Orleans forever, and was really close to the Landrieus. If I got his name wrong, forgive me, and please let me know what it is...
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