NITRO – Are Racetrack Owners Planning More Then Just Changing The Casino's Name?

[pwdgroup]

Kanawha County Blog For March 2008

Nothing is impossible...........

http://kanawhacountyblog.blogspot.com/

[neverlander]

1. Assumptions

Another point about this blog.
THF and the track were seperate deals made years apart. Any deal struck now would depend on Don Karnes being elected Mayor to provide that de-annexation.
The thing that people assume is that the citizens of Nitro are as inept as their current leadership.
All I can say to that is they under-estimate the people in this town. We are not as stupid as they seem to think. We have been quiet, but busy. There is a rude awakening coming for all those who think Nitro is a place to prey and play!!!!!!!!!!!!

[pwdgroup]

2. Hope Your Right

For one I hope you are right.... The info posted on this blog is to enlighten people what is going on in your backyard. Its up to you what happens from here on out.

[pwdgroup]

3. Constructive Info

If anyone has anything positive they would like to ad to the current KC Blog, please send it to me. I would ask that it be constructive (not critcizing others) and something that has to do with the content of the investigation into THF, Hartman or Nitro.

Beating each other up over who did what is not going to shed light on what these two companies (and others) want to do with the track and marketplace.

And, once again. I do not know this Ms Fritz, Clifford or the rest of the gang who are alleged to have posted my investigation and blog.


If there is something of importance to ad, we will do so.

Thanks

Sincerely,

Sam Webber

[e-mail]

[neverlander]

4. As stated elsewhere

Please understand, the people of Nitro are naturally and understandably suspicious of everything and everyone right now. Try to be patient with them. I have to, :-)

[pwdgroup]

5. What Nitro Is Up Against

**I can personaly understand why Nitro is suspicious of everything. I probably would be too.***

Nitro is dealing with at least two major corporations who (please do not take this wrong) could by and sell 100 Nitro's and not blink an eye. Or, destroy 100 Nitro's and not blink an eye either. Especially if it meant making multi-millions more. And I am not just talking about from revenue.

Please take the time to research both THF & Hartman - Tyner. THF alone, and their army of attorney's can file suite to dissolve the agreement between them & Nitro. And, with all of the negative press & alleged financial difficulties they could persuade a judge that it would be in the best interest to do so. And, if it did go to court, you could bet their best investigators would have a few subpoena's that will allow them to be all over Nitro's financial records.

It is our understanding that they will make a buyout offer that Nitro will or will not accept.

Even if the finances are not as bad as everyone is stating, you know that mixture of Nitro's image and finances together is questionable. And, a good attorney would play it to the max because in all honesty the negative publicity can effect them and the casino owners.

And from what we gathered, none of this will matter what mayor is in office if they go forward with any of the proposed plans. You have higher powers to be that can benefit greatly from this also.

Im not saying it is hopeless, but you all have to ask yourselves this, would Nitro be better off de-annexing ahead of time if THF & the casino owners did offer a pro-rated amount of money that Nitro would be earning up until the de-annex option comes due.

I personally feel THF will exercise their option to de-annex when the time comes anyway.

And as for the services that Nitro now provides? You and I know someone would be right there to take over.

Nitro, and concerned residents like you need to just absorb the info on the KC Blog for a while and decide how to approach it. But please do yourself a favor and research just who these two companies really are. It is kind of scary how much clout they carry. And as you know, money & power can do the impossible.

Sam

[neverlander]

6. New info from news

WCHS TV announced that Dave Hardy would be going to work for Bob Allen, who is representing Nitro against THF....curious indeed.....if true.

[pwdgroup]

7. Please fill me in

Can someone tell me the connection or "curious indeed" that neverlander is referring to above.... Who is Dave Hardy?

Thanks

[pwdgroup]

8. Please Let It Be So

Please tell me this is the same Dave Hardy who was county commissioner??????

[pwdgroup]

9. I Smell A Conflict Of Interest

How can this guy Hardy work for the man representing Nitro against THF?

This is all coming together "not nicely"

[neverlander]

10. Do ya think????

Same Dave Hardy, same shady deals, sameole,sameole.
Let me know what you find out!
I am looking as well

[pwdgroup]

11. Last Entry

This will be our last entry or continuance in this mounting BS drama.

We posted the facts learned from the top. That’s our only interest. It is up to the responsible, clear minded residents of Nitro who do not feed off the frenzy of finger pointing and rumors.

Reading the comments from some individuals (WV Wildfire)on this post only show that they like to throw gas on the fire, and, raises the question if they dont have a hidden agenda to keep up a smoke screen for their own enjoyment or reward. Or, you have something to hide.

If WV wildfire would spend half as much time focussing on the BIG PICTURE as they do on the local squabbles this saga would be over.

As for Tiffany Terry (that name was mentioned somewhere) it appears on the surface she may be a victim of walking into a financial catastrophe, needed her job, and did the best she could. But, every major scandal has to have someone to blame. And it is never the leaders.

It is also suspicious of the number of hits on this site....200 plus makes you wander if the same person slinging mud, also is sitting in front of their computer repeatedly clicking on this thread.

Nit picking is the sign of an immature mind.

In closing, if you knew me, and read the prior post on Kanawha County Blog about Kent Carper you would know that neither myself or staff would EVER contact Carper for anything.

As for Hardy and or Attorney Allen, if you read our recent post about THF & Hartman you would realize we also did not name anyone else locally besides Mrs Fritz and that came from sources who were present at the County meetings. That’s because they are the ones we focused on.

Mr Hardy is of no concern, nor is Mr Allen. And to be honest, this WV Wildfire person is really of no interest to anyone but themselves.

To the true residents of Nitro. Best of luck. Until you stop thinking small potatoes and focus on the main players (THF - Hartman) you will not overcome this.

Best regards to Neverlander who appears to be sincere in Nitro's true problems...,

Sam Webber

[wvwildfire07]

12. Sure its Your Last Pose

You thow out a bunch of accussations and inuendo with nothing to really back it up. You are wanting to stir people up.

Your tactic is much like the woman you claim not to know - and I am speaking of Karen Fritz. She throws out accussations and then when forced to defend them or substantiate she just says she won't respond anymore. I have seen this on the Waters board for the last two years.

She can throw it out but she can't back it up.

So you have something in common with Ms. Fritz - even if you still want to claim you don't know her.

[formerfed]

13. Food For Thought Folks

Been watching this going on with some people on here and decided to make a comment.

If you would back up and consider something, you may have your answer.

Before rushing to judge just who this PWD Group is, read their first release back in January where they slammed Carper. And divulged information that no one locally would have the nerve to post.

Also, I would be more worried if they did know who Hardy and Allen were. Not knowing shows that they may not even be local, and only looked into the connection between THF and Hartman. There would be no need to really know the local players in Nitro etc.

If you notice, they did not go after or talk negative about the Tffney Terry problems, accusations against Jack Jordan and others. They only divulged information that allegedly came from THF.

Just food for thought.... I do not even think they are from here. But they do have an agenda that has nothing to do with the people like Clifford, Fritz etc.

And the name Sam Webber? There is a pretty heavy hitter by that name in Washington DC media circles.

As for the same info on other blogs and mesage boards? that makes no sense. I would be posting info everywhere possible too.

[formerfed]

14. By The Way

Does anyone here not think if VERY STRANGE that Kent Carper refers to Daniel Hartman, VP of Hartman & Tyner as "Danny Hartman?" Read the Charleston gazette story posted on PWD's story. On page two, carper refers to him as "Danny" and that Hartman has always been a straight with KING CARPER.

http://wvgazette.com/News/200802260734

[neverlander]

15. stop beating around the bush

If Mr Webber is sincere he needs to make the Carper connection since that is where the winner in all this would be found.

[pwdgroup]

16. Go to this

Heres the best your gonna get for now, sorry. And to be honest, I did not make the connection until very recently and you all exposed it.

David Hardy did go to the firm representing Nitro against THF. That in itself is a huge conflict of interest since who could gain the most for or from THF.

Also, at the least, he would make a great source of information for Carper and anyone else involved to know what is going on in the background?

As for the "ace in the hole?" Have to hold onto that for the moment.

Someone needs to put a halt to that. Im not a vetrenarian but I know a horses ass when I smell one.

http://www.wvrecord.com/news/208541-personnel-file-dave-hardy-joins-allen-guthrie-mchugh--thomas

[neverlander]

17. I believe

I believe it is NOT the connection between THF and HT that should be of concern but the connection between these corporations and KCC. Keep in mind however, Nitro has the upper hand right now, and they ARE smart enough to know it.

[pwdgroup]

18. I believe your right

Your right, but, those two companies hold the purse strings!!!!

There are more heavy hitters involved in this then you can shake a stick at.

Like I said before, Who has the most to gain if a merger or de-annexation comes about. And who gains the most if Nitro would happen to go under.

You do have the upper hand.

Let me ask you a question, Would it not benefit Nitro to take a buy out deal if it is indeed offered? If THF wants to exercise their de-annexation option why not take the money now, get Nitro completely and steadily on their feet and move on?

Im really curious to that question, and you seem to be in the know on things.

Also, are there any major outstanding loans, city bonds or notes against Nitro that could be called in anytime soon that Nitro could not cover?

Take care

[neverlander]

19. In a word NO

I do not believe it would benefit Nitro to take ANY deal.

1. The cuerrent financial situation in Nitro is not what it has been said to be.
They are NOT in that dire of straights. the deficits are not that huge.
The recent work done has covered most of the problems so far, and the excessive spending has stopped.
They no longer NEED bailed out of anything. They do not need THF's money in that regard. They will not respond with knee jerk reaction an longer. They want what rightfully belongs to the citizens of Nitro, the taxes paid.
2. Nitro WILL NOT go under and anyone who thinks it even a possibility it buying into media accounts too much.
Receivership is not happening in Nitro, not even close.
3. To my knowledge there are no notes or bonds that can be called in.
4. A deal to de-annex would have to be struck between THF and the County not THF and HT.
In this case the county gains the control.
5. Right at this present moment the two companies do not hold the strings since nothing can be built on THF
land without the approval of Nitro (who is in litigation with them). No further development of any THF land
can proceed.
6. Merger would NOT help THF or HT to solve this problem, de-annexation possibly could BUT, I don't think it
can happen as long as litigation is on going.
7. Both of these companies underestimate the PEOPLE of Nitro. Will will NOT stand back and allow anyone to
steal our city. There are people out here working daily to fight these unseen forces. We are now and have
been very aware of the fact that bigger fish were swimming in our pool. As I stated before, we are no all
inept. Citizens can do much, we know our options, both strategic and legal. We will exercise them if
necessary.
8. The people who have been envolved in the recent media frenzy have been USED!!!!! They need to KNOW that
and they need to stop allowing it. Those of us who understand that this whole 2 or 3 year long media thing
has been enginnered know they are pawns in a bigger game.

[pwdgroup]

20. Quick Answer

We are not understanding each other. Its what I hate about e-mails-blogs etc.

4. A deal to de-annex would have to be struck between THF and the County not THF and HT. ???

Not sure I said that? THF would have to strike a deal with Nitro, but our understanding is HT will help cover part of the cost through a merged company. Your right, HT would have to strike their own deal to de-annex.

I do beleive the good people will put up one hell of a fight. But you need to squash all of the bickering amoungst residents and focus on the main objective.

I will be gone for several days and will have limited internet access but Im serious that there are people in the background who control the purse strings on who is going to profit from this if it happens.

And this David Hardy guy working for your alls law firm on the THF deal? WOW, thats a direct link back to Carper. They can say Hardy is not involved, or have access all they want. Lawyers, prosecutors and judges. They all play golf and socialize together and are friends until they hit the courtroom. Ive been there.

Im sure you know the old saying, keep yopur friends close and your enemies even closer.....

[neverlander]

21. Yep

My dad used to say that...he added we should be sitting on the laps of the one we were not sure about!

The Hardy situation is a red flag to keep an eye on.

I still think keeping litigation open is the safest route until the election in June.

The bickering will continue among those who insist on it, but it will not interfere with those of us who really care about all this. It never really has. We have continued to persue the truth, and fight the battles as they arose...shhh quietly! Sometimes the best place to be is in the back!

[chocolot]

22. Questions

When I google that I get the following...Who is BNNews Wire Source?

PWDGroup (KC BLOG) Mentioned In Press Release - Democratic Underground This is a press release from earlier today.... From BNNews Wire Source http://www.prlog.org/10058009-every-state-county-needs-... :thumbsup: ...
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When I searched the address on the press release at google maps I got this....where is this place that is on no map?


We were not able to locate the address:
7 Canebrake Dr., Hilton Head Island, SC

Would you like to:

Get a map of Hilton Head Island, SC


When I search Sam Webber I get...I get a character in a Novel.

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When I look up pwd group, this is the result.....


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When I called the phone number on the Swint Book press Release it went to Colorado and a "number not in service" message


I THINK IT IS TIME FOR WHOEVER THIS IS TO EITHER IDENTIFY THEMSELVES OR SHUT UP. This is totally wrong. A News service that does not exsist. A fictional address and phone number, and a silly child's book character for a name.
PUT UP OR SHUT UP, the jig is up!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[formerfed]

23. Heres Some Answers to some questions chocolot

It appears 7 Canebrake drive does exist a few miles down the road in BLUFFTON SC which borders HHI.

The press release criteria (its automated) does not offer Bluffton as a city so I think HHI makes sense.

Also found that there is a BNnews in Canada & the UK. Heres an example
http://www.maslen.co.uk/newsletters/newsletter_oct04.pd...

I would not jump to conclusions on what PWDGroup stands for. There are thousands of companies who have the same name, even though PWD is not that common.

Here is what also is out there on the internet for Sam Webber.

http://www.egs.edu/faculty/samuelweber.html

If your going to investigate something you should at least wait to expose what you found after you’ve researched things thoroughly.

I’m not sure if I was divulging information like this PWD group is, that I would use my real name either??

IF ANYONE IS MAKING THINGS WORSE, YOU ARE

[formerfed]

24. Here are some more answers

Personally, I do not care who is putting all of this out there in the public. Its a good thing. If you looked into Nitro's problems as hard as your trying to look into this, Nitro would be a lot better off.

http://www.prlog.org/10055793-former-dea-whistle-blower-testifies-to-sub-committees-investigation-into-the-use-of-informants.html

:patriot:

[formerfed]

25. Truce

Lets just all wait and see how this plays out over the next couple weeks. I just find it very hard to believe this (pwdgroup) is all coming from local people associated with Nitro.

They appear to be on more on a higher level.