The Place to Go Nitro Responds to Kanawha County Blogspot

[wvwildfire07]

The following post is from, http://theplacetogonitro.freeforums.org In response to the Kanawha County Blogspot this morning.

Is Jerry Waters and Karen Fritz, Mike Clifford and Friends behind the Kanawha County Blogspot.

While I agree with the behind the scene work with the Kanawha County Commission President Kent Carper, THF and Tri State Racetrack and Gaming Owners, I take exception to the fact that if not for Karen Fritz the City of Nitro would be on the verge of collapse.

The following is an except from that blog:

"It hasn’t been that long ago that Nitro was not going to be able to meet its payroll. They have had to bounce checks, borrow money from the county and even recently accept a $200,000 "pre-payment" from the racetrack that will have to be absorbed into the budget. How much more can this town of 6,500 endure? If not for city activist Karen Fritz’s continuous screaming from the rooftops that this cities finances were in worst shape then feared, Nitro may have already collapsed."

to see the entire blogspot click the following:
http://kanawhacountyblog.blogspot.com/

In the previous statement it is clear that the Waters / Fritz crew are behind this blog. Chambers and Paterno released a report ( a link will be provided ) that disproves a few things stated just above. No checks were bounced in the City of Nitro. And the statement about the city not being able to make payroll, again, the amount in the cities accounts when the payroll was run was the amount always in the account when payroll ran. The City of Nitro is not a for profit - all monies that come in just about immediately go out. There is never $100,000's in the account just sitting. And for the Mayor of the city to allow this to be bandied about as though the city didn't have the appropriate funds should show the residents of the city of nitro that RUSTY CASTO HAS NO CLUE AFTER 13 YEARS ABOUT THE RUNNING OF THIS CITY.

http://www.wboy.com/sjuploads/Nitro%20report.pdf

As for the borrowing of the money from the County. Yes, the city (after its previous budget was approved) was blindsided in July with a doubling of the cities liability insurance. More than $305,000. The city has for the previous 5 to 6 years over estimated revenues while increasing salaries and expenses. This was brought to the attention of Nitro City Council in 2007 when the last budget was past. The Former Treasurer informed council of the over inflated revenues and suggested that the budget maintain at its current and not increase. But after much discussion the cities budget was increased by 2 1/2 % to allow for a small salary increase to city workers. Terry even left a buffer in the budget of $80,000 with the final payment already being made the previous year to pay of the police fleet. Left that amount in the Police Department budget which helped buffer the blow with the doubling of the liability insurance. And has helped with the city being where it is today. Back on the road to reaching a true balanced budget.

It was not Karen Fritz but Terry advising council. Terry wasn't public about it - but that wasn't her place. Fritz has created most of the circus like atmosphere around the City of Nitro and a few colorful council people and the buffoon of a Mayor have provided the rest.

Does anyone think it is a coincidence that only two officials have really been targeted for removal. One is out the door and the city will be lucky to get the scraps off the table from the county and the state.

It was Terry after all who refused to sign payments to THF after advised that she should establish the legality of doing so before signing her name to any check.

It was Terry who sought out opinions from the State Attorney General and the State Auditors Office about the legality of the payments of B&O taxes from one business being rebated to a third business. IT IS NO COINCIDENCE that the day before the Attorney General was set to release its opinion THF filed suit in Circuit Court of Kanawha County asking that not the legality of the payments but asking for the court to force the city to honor its agreement - legal or not. Once the court action was filed the opinion from the Attorney Generals Office was not released.

THF would rather pay a $250,000 to $500,000 in legal fees to not have the legality question answered by the courts. WHY. I WILL TELL YOU WHY BECAUSE THEY KNOW - IT IS NOT LEGAL TO TAKE THE B&O TAXES FROM ONE BUSINESS AND REBATE THEM TO ANOTHER.

ex. Walmat pays B&O taxes to the city of nitro - THF gets their rebate.
You might be thinking there is no problem here.
another example: Nitro Supermarket pays its B&O taxes to the city of nitro - Fas Check gets their rebate.

It was Terry who fought for the Table Games Legislation to be changed to include the City of Nitro as a host city along with the City of Wheeling. Insuring under first year (low ball) figures the City of Nitro would receive more than $360,000 and not the $12,000 in the original legislation.

It was Terry who came up with the Host City Idea which the individual employees from the city carried to the legislature. Many employees taking their own time to see that the city gets its share. Firefighters, Police Officers and Members of Council (Councilman Bill Clark, Councilman Joe Savilla, Councilman Bill Javins, Councilwoman Brenda Tyler and Recorder Rita Cox) (Looks like the 4 Fritz wanted to remove)

Kent Carper, Danny Jones and the Gaming Lobby were none to pleased with Terry. If not for her there would have been no presence at the legislature for Nitro.

Now she has been run out of not only the City of Nitro, but the County and State. This woman must have too much information about something and scared of those who stand to lose.

No coincidence that it was with the aide of the Charleston Gazette (part owned by Kent Carper) that smeared the City of Nitro and Terry until she left on a virtual daily basis. With misinformation - getting the whole FINANCIAL CRISIS FRENZY going.

Now here we are three months later. After it was told to residents of Nitro and the County of Kanawha that Nitro was on the verge of insolvency. Nitro is on its way to a balanced budget with a few thousand surplus.

SOUNDS LIKE WHAT TERRY WAS SAYING BACK IN LATE NOVEMBER EARLY DECEMBER WAS TRUE. THE CITY WILL BE FINE IT NEEDS TO TIGHTEN ITS BELT CUT ALL UNNECESSARY SPENDING AND BY MARCH WILL BE BACK ON TRACK.

But Nitro now has the Treasurer the County and the THF like to see. A non vocal go along man who is not going to put his neck out for anyone NOT EVEN THE CITY OF NITRO.

Now wait and watch as they continue on Nitro Police Chief Jack Jordan another like Terry who has fought for the City of Nitro and given much of himself to the community.

[neverlander]

1. Point 2

Another point about this blog.
THF and the track were seperate deals made years apart. Any deal struck now would depend on Don Karnes being elected Mayor to provide that de-annexation.
The thing that people assume is that the citizens of Nitro are as inept as their current leadership.
All I can say to that is they under-estimate the people in this town. We are not as stupid as they seem to think. We have been quiet, but busy. There is a rude awakening coming for all those who think Nitro is a place to prey and play!!!!!!!!!!!!

[pwdgroup]

2. Info Incorrect

I can assure you that Mrs Fritz, Mr. Clifford and the rest of the names you stated have nothing to do with the information PWD posted. In fact, we do not know them.

The information used came from THF corporate people. And the comments about Mrs Fritz came from remarks made by Kent Carper who praised her for bringing it to the counties attention. Whether he menat it or not.

Please do not turn this into something it is not. The investigation and report are for the purpose of Nitro residents seeing what is about to happen. Overlook the ill feelings that some residents and officials have going.

THIS IS THE WHOLE PROBLEM, AND WHY THF & HARTMAN ARE GOING TO SNEAK IN AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS "JERRY SPRINGER" ATMOSPHERE." Those are their comments according to the THF spokesperson. Your own finger-pointing etc are just what they want.

If there is other information pertinant to our blog, bring it up.

Pick your battles wisely !!!! Your doing exactly what THF, Hartman and probably everyone else who will profit from such a merger want.

Sam Webber
PWDgroup

[formerfed]

3. Listen To What This PWD Group Is Saying

Folks,

I can not believe you are attacking the people (kanawha county blog) who have alerted you what these two property management groups, and others are up to.

Can you all not see that this is just what this Hartman & THF want? There is the old saying "divide and conquer." You need to put your petty squabling asside for now and fight the real fight. Better focus on that problem instead of who did or did not do things on the local level.

Im beginning to see why THF wants out, and you people are throwing gasoline on the fire.

Or,,,,,Could it be that the people yelling the loudest have something to gain from all of this bickering??

[wvwildfire07]

15. Divide and Conquer

You are right divide and conquer. That is exactly what Karen Fritz has done with the aid of her scum sucking lawyer Mike Clifford and it appears now from the PWDGROUPs own words Kanawha County Commission President Kent Carper.

As for the side deals....... Do you really think the people of Nitro are stupid. We know that is why our city and the former treasurer have been trashed for months. And for what we know now was nothing more than a short term cash flow problem.

If we had a Mayor with a set on him none of this would have ever happened. This pathetic man needs to take his "b*ls" out of his mothers purse and lead the city or get the "he*l" out of the way. He has been working with Mike Clifford and Karen Fritz for months. Working against the city he was elected to lead because he has been afraid of the same media frenzy on himself and his innappropriate activities in and about town.

This man is a puppet to whoever wants to pull a string. A laughing stock who is not even qualified to wipe down the seats at the ball park in which he works.

[neverlander]

6. No fault.

I am certainly hearing all of this! No attack here. Through no fault of there own, people in Nitro are naturally suspicious these days.

That said, I do not discount some of this information. However, I stand by my comment that Don Karnes (or other manipulatable/unscrupulous person) would have to be in the Mayor's seat for this to work.
No deal these two strike up now would allow the Track to "grandfather" into a de-annexation.
In addition if THF chose to de-annex, they would lose services they require that are provided by Nitro.
Also the current litigation contends the entire contract is illegle and would therefore be void (including the de-annexation clause), if successful. De-annexation under any other circumstances is difficult at best unless a city chooses to reduce it's boundries. Also one must consider their loss of services which would result in costs elsewhere. Any de-annexation would have the potential to actually cost considerably more in the long run.

Another point to be made is that even with all the hoopla, Nitro's finances are not as they have been proported to be. They are in fact much more solid than people realise. The city is no where near receivership, they are not even in any dire straights, as has been reported. They have had some problems with spending. That translates to cash-flow and is fairly easily corrected and steps have already been taken in that regard, with other changes in the works as well.

The current Mayor has, up until recently, kept our council in the dark about finances. Questions recently asked have shed some light on his incompetence, however they were not the questions asked by Karen Fritz. Being trusting by nature, the council did not ask the tough questions. They did not see the flags. This is a strong mayor/weak council charter. For those who do not know, that means the Mayor can do much on his own. The council is a legislative body and has little oversight under our charter. Some members of this council have now become more pro active and are getting some problems solved. The Mayor is accepting this well (not that he has much choice now).

The fact is this, the County currently has the most to gain from any change in the Track's status. With proper administrative changes, this can all be avoided. City leaders who can and will negotiate well will deal with this whole mess properly. IMHO, the area being discussed can stay or go, it matters not to me.

The KEY to all this is to be aware of the possibilities and the players and make sure the election results in people both intellegent enough and experienced enough to deal with this whole situation.

Just a note of observation about Karen Fritz...this woman is not as intellegent as I gave her credit for.
If she really thought she was uncovering corruption among Nitro's leadership she was at best foolish. Thinking them smart enough to pull off any scam and schemes would have been a grave mistake.
The other option concerning her is that she has been a pawn in a bigger game and allowed herself to be used either knowingly or not.
Either way, I am not at all surprised since I never personally believed her to be particularly smart.

[pwdgroup]

7. Questions Posed

We posed the same type questions you have posted here to a credible source.

Nitro is dealing with at least two major corporations who (please do not take this wrong) could by and sell 100 Nitro's and not blink an eye. Or, destroy 100 Nitro's and not blink an eye either. Especially if it meant making multi-millions more. And I am not just talking about from revenue.

Please take the time to research both THF & Hartman - Tyner. THF alone, and their army of attorney's can file suite to dissolve the agreement between them & Nitro. And, with all of the negative press & alleged financial difficulties they could persuade a judge that it would be in the best interest to do so. And, if it did go to court, you could bet their best investigators would have a few subpoena's that will allow them to be all over Nitro's financial records.

It is our understanding that they will make a buyout offer that Nitro will or will not accept.

Even if the finances are not as bad as everyone is stating, you know that mixture of Nitro's image and finances together is questionable. And, a good attorney would play it to the max because in all honesty the negative publicity can effect them and the casino owners.

And from what we gathered, none of this will matter what mayor is in office if they go forward with any of the proposed plans. You have higher powers to be that can benefit greatly from this also.

Im not saying it is hopeless, but you all have to ask yourselves this, would Nitro be better off de-annexing ahead of time if THF & the casino owners did offer a pro-rated amount of money that Nitro would be earning up until the de-annex option comes due.

I personally feel THF will exercise their option to de-annex when the time comes anyway.

And as for the services that Nitro now provides? You and I know someone would be right there to take over.

Nitro, and concerned residents like you need to just absorb the info on the KC Blog for a while and decide how to approach it. But please do yourself a favor and research just who these two companies really are. It is kind of scary how much clout they carry. And as you know, money & power can do the impossible.

Sam

[wvwildfire07]

16. Sam Your Not Telling Any Of Us In Nitro Something New

Sam, do you really think the people in Nitro who are in the know haven't known for sometime what is going on here.

We know who THF and Tyner are. Why do you think our former Treasurer has been run out of town. She fought for the legislation that was bringing not $12,000 but more than $360,000 to Nitro a year (first year prospective revenues based on low figures). AS MANY IN THE POWER POSITION HAVE SAID SHE WAS TO VOCAL AND HAD TO GO. She is the one who refused to sign the checks to THF when she took office after being advies not to do so. She sought out the opinions from the appropriate state agencies.

And what did she get for it - crucified in the Charleston Gazette ( a paper part owned as I understand it by Kent Carper ). Ran out of town based on months of a manufactured media crisis where Fritz and her scum sucking lawyer Mike Clifford actually accused her of stealing money from the city. Nothing but lies.

Our Police Chief has had his integrity questioned after years of faithful service not just to the city of nitro but to the county, state of WV and the Nation on a Federal Drug Task Force. Fritz accusing him of taking evidence from the evidence room for his personal use. PLEASE.... if you think we are going to sit by and let you pretend not to know this woman and sing her praises think again.

DO YOU THINK IT IS A COINCIDENCE THAT DAVE HARDY HAS JUST GONE TO WORK FOR BOB ALLEN ATTORNEY IN CHARLESTON. THE SAME LAWYER THAT KENT CARPER ADVISED THE CITY OF NITRO TO USE IN THE MATTER DEALING WITH THF. WELL I DON'T.... AND I THINK THAT IS WHY THERE HAS BEEN NO RESOLUTION ON THE LEGALITY OF THE MATTER. GOOD OLE BOYS RUN AMUCK.... HOW MUCH IS HARDY GETTING FOR WORKING THERE?????

Will Hardy get to keep is County Taxpayer paid assistant when he goes to work for Allen. This woman is grossly overpaid for her "SERVICES".

[wvwildfire07]

14. Carper Sings Fritz Praise - Let's hear Carper Publicly Acknowledge Fritz Role in Anything

Sam Webber or whoever you are. Karen Fritz has done exactly what THF has wanted from day one. It has been Fritz with the aid of her bottom feeding lawyer Mike Clifford who have waged their campaigns of personal attacks.

Now you say that your information didn't come from Fritz, Waters and Clifford in fact you don't even know them. TO THAT I SAY BS!!!!!!!!! It is no coincidence that you are using the same phrases and rheotoric that Fritz has been using for years.

I don't buy for a second that you don't know Fritz.

As for Kent Carper singing Fritz praises - then what I have said about what has happened to the Former Treasurer is true. Terry was to vocal to leave in her position with what Kent Carper has in mind. Terry never would have sat by while the city was given away to outside interests - even if it was to the county.

Fritz, Clifford, Waters, Carney and let's go ahead and say it - Kanawha County Commission President Kent Carper are clearly behind the media frenzy or as you say the "Jerry Springer Like Atmosphere".

Carper after all from what I have been told is part owner of the Charleston Gazette.

Now that the so called "Financial Crisis" has been exposed as more hype than fact - all can see it clearly. If you think that we are going to sit by and allow anyone to sing the praises of Karen Fritz for anything you are mistaken. She hasn't pointed anything out and if Kent Carper is saying it - I would like to hear the soundbites where he has done so publicly.

Carper knew back in November that the financial situation in Nitro was caused by the doubling of the cities liabilitiy insurance, he also knew that the city had over anticipated revenues for the previous 5 years while increasing spending. He also knew that by March of 2008 it would be over.

He took the opportunity months ago to jump on a band wagon so he could grandstand and make his back deals and push out the only person for decades who has stood up and fought for the interest of the city and attempting to push out another who has given nothing but his life to the city he serves.

[skywv]

4. The Place to Go Nitro Responds to Kanawha County Blogspot

Once again, you don't comprehend well. So I will say it one more time for your benifit:

I know longer have a radio show. The entire Nitro soap-opera was a way for me to kill air time. It was in the news and my co-host lived there. Even towards the end, I was sick and tired of hearing about Nitro.

Now, a year has passed and you insinuate that I have some interest in ANY of this? You're howling at the moon if you do, because I've made little if any comment about Nitro for an entire year. There is a reason for this: I DON'T CARE! Why? I don't LIVE there and don't get paid to care!

The trouble with West Virginians is that they think that "some" people only wake-up in the mornings to do dirty deeds to their politics. In some cases that's true. But if you actually HAVE A LIFE, it's the farthest thing from your mind. So count me out of your "conspiracy theory" because while I may have the same interest as any reader of the news... I certainly dont give a personal damned about Nitro or ANYTHING that goes on there.


Have I made myself clear... or are you still not comprehending the words that are coming out of my mouth?

[neverlander]

8. Frankly Scarlett...

Jerry I don't give a rats behind if you are involved or not....you will have no impact one way or the other.
I am however sick of the propaganda/lie spouting board you own.

Trust me when I say your personal impact is completely unconsequential.

[wvwildfire07]

17. Jerry Thou Doth Protest Way Tooooooo Much

Jerry, you don't care about the going ons in Nitro. That is why your former public message board is only open to a few of your now kool aide drinking minions. Because you had to shut it down because you couldn't control the posters on the NITRO thread.

You gave Fritz her platform to spew her propaganda without anything to back it up. You have continued to still try and give her a venue. But that too has been bypassed. You think you can control the media and the situation - well we in Nitro are not going to sit back any longer.

Karen Fritz, Jerry Waters, Mike Clifford, Wanda Carney, Kent Carper, Danny Jones, THF and others to be named will be exposed for who they are and what they have done to the City of Nitro and its citizens, employees and some public officials........


What's the matter Jerry, can't stand it when you can't delete someone.

[pwdgroup]

5. Constructive Info

If anyone has anything positive they would like to ad to the current KC Blog, please send it to me. I would ask that it be constructive (not critcizing others) and something that has to do with the content of the investigation into THF, Harmtman or Nitro.

Beating each other up over who did what is not going to shed light on what these two companies (and others) want to do with the track and marketplace.

And, once again. I do not know this Ms Fritz, Clifford or the rest of the gang who are alleged to have posted my investigation and blog.

If there is something of importance to ad, we will do so.

Thanks

Sincerely,

Sam Webber

[e-mail]

[neverlander]

9. BTW

Thanks Sam!

[pwdgroup]

10. Please Clue Me In

Can someone tell me the connection or "curious indeed" that neverlander is referring to above.... Who is Dave Hardy?

Thanks

[neverlander]

11. County

Dave Hardy is one of the current County Commissioners that could gain greatly if Nitro loses.

Bob Allen is the atty representing Nitro in the THF litigation.

Dave Hardy is supposedly now working for Bob Allen.

[pwdgroup]

12. Dave Hardy

Thank you for the info.... its more important then you know.

Do you know if he is quitting the commish job?

[neverlander]

22. NO

Not as far as I know. He has been a practicing atty all along, just changing firms I am told.

[pwdgroup]

13. I Smell A Conflict Of Interest

How can this guy Hardy work for the man representing Nitro against THF?

This is all comming together "not nicely"

[wvwildfire07]

20. Some Homework

Some Homework... You are telling us all about THF and Hartman and Tyner and their plans involving the City of Nitro... You tell us tales about getting information from Kanawha County Commission President Kent Carper - yet you don't know Dave Hardy and you didn't know Bob Allen was representing the City in current litigation.

You must have attended the Wanda Carney/Betty Jarvis school of private investigation.

[pwdgroup]

23. Do your own homework

I never said I talked to Kent Carper???????

Why would I care who represents Nitro or even want to know.

You people are your own worst enemy. I'm not interested about your local players, only the top people in this.

[wvwildfire07]

25. Please Your Investigation A Joke

Please, your investigation is a total joke. You say you don't care about the players yet you are telling us all about your month long investigation into the deals made with the City of Nitro involving THF and Hartman & Tyner (Tri-State Racetrack & Gaming Center).

Your lack of understanding of the agreement between the City of Nitro and THF shows that you either did not have a month long investigation or you as I said in a previous post attended the, "WANDA CARNEY / BETTY JARVIS SCHOOL OF PRIVATE INVESTIGATION".

As for your attempts to link THF to Hartman & Tyner (Tri-State Racetrack & Gaming Center) good try. But I think Dan Adkins made it pretty clear YOU ARE TOTALLY OFF BASE.

Now THF is in the process of SCREWING THE CITY OF NITRO YET AGAIN. They are negotiating the current court action they filed against the city. JUST ONE PROBLEM - THEY STILL DON'T WANT THE LEGAL QUESTION ANSWERED AND THAT SHOULD TELL PEOPLE MORE THAN ANYTHING. THEY HAVE SPENT, MOST LIKELY, MORE THAN $250,000 ALREADY TO MARTY GLASSER TO KEEP THE QUESTION REGARDING THE LEGALITY OF REBATING ONE COMPANYS B&O TAX TO A DIFFERENT COMPANY.

We are not our own wors enemy. The enemies of Nitro in MY OPINION ARE LISTED CLEARLY BELOW:

DON KARNES - FORMER MAYOR - NEGOTIATED THE ORIGINAL THF AGREEMENT

KAREN FRITZ - CURRENT RESIDENT AND SELF PROCLAIMED WATCHDOG - FILED LAWSUITS/COMPLAINTS HAVE LOST THEM ALL. COSTING THE CITY $120,000+ IN LEGAL FEES.

MIKE CLIFFORD - KAREN FRITZ, BOTTOM FEEDING, SCUM SUCKING LAWYER - WHO WILL DO ANYTHING TO GET HIS NAME IN THE PAPER - A MAN WHO THINKS ANY PRESS EVEN BAD PRESS IS GOOD AS LONG AS THEY SPELL HIS NAME RIGHT. WHO HAS FILED BASELESS LAWSUITS THAT HE HAS EVEN STATED WERE A BUNCH OF PISS. SOMEONE NEEDS TO CONTACT THE WV BAR ASSOCIATION ABOUT HIS DEALINGS. THIS MAN SHOULDN'T EVEN HAVE A LICENSE TO PRACTICE LAW IN THIS STATE.

COUNCILWOMAN GERTIE ESTEP, COUNCILMAN BILL JAVINS - WHO GIVE KAREN FRITZ ALL THE INFORMATION SHE WANTS - MOSTLY MISINFORMATION. THEY HAVE BOTH HELPED HER TO TEAR DOWN THE IMAGE OF THE CITY THAT THEY WERE ELECTED (WELL GERTIE WAS AT LEAST ELECTED / JAVINS APPOINTED) TO THE SERVE. (JAVINS HAS HAD BIG IDEAS THAT HE CAN BE MAYOR OF THIS CITY. THIS MAN CLEARLY HAS LITTLE MAN SYNDROME) NEITHER ONE OF THEM KNOW WHAT DAY IT IS. GERTIE I THINK JUST BECAUSE SHE IS GETTING OLD AND HAS A REAL MEDICAL ISSUE. BILL BECAUSE I THINK HE HAS HAD ONE TO MANY DRINKS IN THE EVENING (& WAY TO MANY WITH HIS ONCE 15 YEAR OLD GRANDSON)

MAYOR RUSTY CASTO - WHO HAS LEFT HIS BA*LS IN HIS MOTHERS PURSE FOR SO LONG HE COULDN'T TAKE A STAND ON ANYTHING. HE HAS ALLOWED KAREN FRITZ AND MIKE CLIFFORD TO TEAR THIS CITY DOWN WITH MISINFORMATION AND LIES. NOT STANDING UP AND PUTTING OUT THE TRUTH - BECAUSE HE DIDN'T KNOW THE TRUTH. WHILE THE CITY WAS RUNNING - HE WAS RUNNING AFTER EVERY PIECE OF TRASH IN TOWN. PICKING UP WOMEN AND TAKING THEM HERE AND THERE. RUNNING TO THE NITRO CITY POOL - WHERE HE MADE A FOOL OF HIMSELF ON A DAILY BASIS. HE DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO KEEP UP TO DATE ON SPECIFIC INFORMATION. AND WHEN PUSHED BY FRITZ AND CLIFFORD HE FOLDED LIKE A CHEAP SUIT - TELLING THEM WHAT THEY WANTED TO HEAR EVEN IF IT WASN'T TRUE - TO KEEP HIS DIRTY LITTLE SECRETS HIDDEN. HE WAS AND IS TERRIFIED OF HIS INNAPPROPRIATE BEHAVIOR BEING EXPOSED TO THE PUBLIC. EX. SEXUALLY HARRASSING EMPLOYEES, USING CITY FUNDS FOR HIS OWN PERSONAL GAIN, USING CITY WORKERS FOR HIS PERSONAL USE, USING CITY EQUIPMENT AND VEHICLES FOR HIS PERSONAL USE AND THAT OF OTHERS.

THF - I DON'T THINK I NEED TO EVEN PUT ANYTHING HERE EVERYONE IN NITRO KNOWS HOW THIS PRIVATE CORPORATION HAS FINANCIALLY RAPED THE CITY OF NITRO.

MARTY GLASSER - THF'S LAWYER. I HAVE TO GIVE THIS MAN CREDIT - HE HAS DONE HIS JOB AND DONE HIS JOB WELL. TO BAD THE CITY OF NITRO DOESN'T HAVE THE SAME REPRESENTATION.

BOB ALLEN - SUPPOSE TO BE REPRESENTING THE CITY OF NITRO'S INTEREST IN THE MATTER WITH THF. OUTSIDE SPENDING MORE THAN $36,000 ON A PIECE OF PAPER YOU CAN WIPE YOUR BUT WITH AND CLOSE TO $100,000 IN LEGAL FEES, HASN'T DONE MUCH FOR THE CITY. IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT KANAWHA COUNTY COMMISSION PRESIDENT KENT CARPER RECOMMENDED THAT THE CITY CONTACT ALLEN - THAT HE WOULD DO A GOOD JOB FOR THE CITY.

KANAWHA COUNTY COMMISSION PRESIDENT KENT CARPER - WHO HAS IN MY OPINION BEEN THE ORCHESTRATOR OF THE "MEDIA FRENZY" THAT HAS SURROUNDED THIS CITY AS IT RELATES TO THE BIG "FINANCIAL CRISIS" WHICH WE ALL KNOW NOW WAS NOTHING MORE THAN A SHORT TERM CASH FLOW PROBLEM. THE CITY ACCORDING TO CARPER WAS VIRTUALLY ON THE VERGE OF RECEIVERSHIP JUST THREE MONTHS AGO. BUT NOW IS BACK ON TRACK AND LOOKING AT NOT ONLY A BALANCED BUDGET BUT A SMALL SURPLUS. HE UTILIZED HIS POSITION AS COUNTY COMMISSION PRESIDENT TO FACILITATE THE MISINFORMATION BEING GIVEN TO THE PUBLIC THROUGH THE FINAL SOURCE I AM GOING TO SITE.

THE CHARLESTON GAZETTE - MORE SPECIFICALLY GAZETTE REPORTER RUSTY MARKS. HE HAS WRITTEN VIRTUALLY ALL OF THE NEGATIVE PRESS ON THE CITY OF NITRO. HIS SOURCES FOR HIS MANY ARTICLES, KAREN FRITZ, MIKE CLIFFORD AND WANDA CARNEY. HE WRITES THE ARTICLES BASED ON THE INFORMATION PROVIDED AND ONCE THE ARTICLES RUN AND THE CORRECT INFORMATION IS GIVEN TO HIM VERY FEW OF HIS ARTICLES HAVE BEEN CORRECTED ON THE PAGES OF THE CHARLESTON GAZETTE. AND WHEN THEY DO CORRECT THEMSELF - IT IS NEVER ON THE FRONT PAGE WHERE THERE ERRORS OF MISINFORMATION AND LIES WERE PRINTED. IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE INFORMATION I HAVE BEEN GIVEN IS THAT KENT CARPER PART OWNS THE CHARLESTON GAZETTE.

ANYONE CONNECTING THE DOTS HERE.

WE HAVE TABLE GAMES COMING TO NITRO - TRI STATE WILL EXPAND, GROWTH ALL AROUND. DO YOU REALLY THINK THOSE IN POWER AT THE COUNTY OR THE CITY OF CHARLESTON WANT NITRO TO KEEP THE PROCEEDS. JUST LOOK AT THE PORTION THE CITY WAS GOING TO RECEIVE FROM THE TABLE GAMES LEGISLATION ORIGINALLY - $12,000. IF NOT FOR THE WORK OF FORMER TREASURER TIFNEY TERRY THAT IS WHAT THE CITY WOULD BE ANTICIPATING AND I DON'T THINK THE CITY WOULD HAVE BEEN CRUCIFIED THEY WAY THEY HAVE IN THE NEWS MEDIA. TERRY WAS TOO VOCAL AND HAD TO GO. THE CITY AFTER HER GETTING INVOLVED IN THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS HAD THE CITY GOING FROM $12,000 TO BEING DESIGNATED A HOST CITY AND WAS THEN TO SPLIT 1/2 OF 1% OF THE GROSS WITH THE CITY OF WHEELING. AMOUNTING TO MORE THAN $360,000 IN ONE YEAR (FIGURES BASED ON LOW 1ST YEAR ESTIMATES). KENT CARPER, DANNY JONES AND THE GAMING LOBBY NONE TO HAPPY WITH HER. BUT AT LEAST SHE ORGANIZED THOSE IN NITRO TO GET UP AND FIGHT FOR THE CITY. AND A BIG KUDOS TO THOSE EMPLOYEES WHO GAVE THEIR TIME AND ENERGY AT THE LEGISLATURE TO GET THE CHANGES MADE. NOT THE MAYOR NOT GERTIE ESTEP, NOT KAREN FRITZ. FIGHTING FOR NITRO. IN FACT THOSE PREVIOUSLY LISTED FOUGHT AGAINST THE TABLE GAMES LEGISLATION.

WE IN NITRO ARE NOT STUPID AND KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON AND SAM WEBBER OR PWDGROUP - YOU ARE APART OF PUTTING OUT THE MISINFORMATION TO GET SOMETHING STIRRED UP AND WE DON'T APPRECIATE IT.

[neverlander]

21. Do ya think????????

We'll just keep puttin this together.

[wvwildfire07]

19. Now I know This Is Not for Real

Are you serious???? You are acting as though you don't know who Dave Hardy is..... Oh he is just one of the three members of the Kanawha County Commission..... Some Investigation you have done.... Just where did you get your information...

You could have done without this post - because anyone who is familiar with what is going on in Nitro and the dealings with THF would know Dave Hardy.

[pwdgroup]

24. Last Entry

This will be our last entry or continuance in this mounting BS drama.

We posted the facts learned from the top. That’s our only interest. It is up to the responsible, clear minded residents of Nitro who do not feed off the frenzy of finger pointing and rumors.

Reading the comments from some individuals (WV Wildfire)on this post only show that they like to throw gas on the fire, and, raises the question if they dont have a hidden agenda to keep up a smoke screen for their own enjoyment or reward. Or, you have something to hide.

If WV wildfire would spend half as much time focussing on the BIG PICTURE as they do on the local squabbles this saga would be over.

As for Tiffany Terry (that name was mentioned somewhere) it appears on the surface she may be a victim of walking into a financial catastrophe, needed her job, and did the best she could. But, every major scandal has to have someone to blame. And it is never the leaders.

It is also suspicious of the number of hits on this site....200 plus makes you wander if the same person slinging mud, also is sitting in front of their computer repeatedly clicking on this thread.

Nit picking is the sign of an immature mind.

In closing, if you knew me, and read the prior post on Kanawha County Blog about Kent Carper you would know that neither myself or staff would EVER contact Carper for anything.

As for Hardy and or Attorney Allen, if you read our recent post about THF & Hartman you would realize we also did not name anyone else locally besides Mrs Fritz and that came from sources who were present at the County meetings. That’s because they are the ones we focused on.

Mr Hardy is of no concern, nor is Mr Allen. And to be honest, this WV Wildfire person is really of no interest to anyone but themselves.

To the true residents of Nitro. Best of luck. Until you stop thinking small potatoes and focus on the main players (THF - Hartman) you will not overcome this.

Best regards to Neverlander who appears to be sincere in Nitro's true problems...,

Sam Webber



:banghead:

[wvwildfire07]

18. Stop Denying It

Stop denying knowing Fritz Clifford or any of the others being spoken about. Because if you have investigated for a month and done your homework you knew about all of this a long time ago.

You still haven't explained how you are using the exact same phrases - that Fritz and Clifford have been using.

Or could it be that you got that information as you did about Karen Fritz from Kanawha County Commissino President Kent Carper.

[crystal dawn]

26. "Sam Webber" is totally a BAD made-up name... lol!

..and doesn't know who Dave Hardy is. Omg are we supposed to be that stooopid?

Showed up on Jer's newly cleaned board at the same time showing up here too.

Easy to smell something that stinks, eh wvwildfire? ;)

[wvwildfire07]

27. No Coincidence Showing up on Waters Closed Board and Here

You are right Crystal - something stinks and its not just Karen Fritz and her scum sucking lawyer.

I think we all know what is going on here and just who is behind it.

[formerfed]

28. Just An Outsiders Opinion

Been watching this going on with some people on here and decided to make a comment.

If you would back up and consider something, you may have your answer.

Before rushing to judge just who this PWD Group is, read their first release back in January where they slammed Carper. And divulged information that no one locally would have the nerve to post.

Also, I would be more worried if they did know who Hardy and Allen were. Not knowing shows that they may not even be local, and only looked into the connection between THF and Hartman. There would be no need to really know the local players in Nitro etc.

If you notice, they did not go after or talk negative about the Tffney Terry problems, accusations against Jack Jordan and others. They only divulged information that allegedly came from THF.

Just food for thought.... I do not even think they are from here. But they do have an agenda that has nothing to do with the people like Clifford, Fritz etc.

And the name Sam Webber? There is a pretty heavy hitter by that name in Washington DC media circles.

As for the same info on other blogs and mesage boards? that makes no sense.
I would be posting info everywhere possible too.

[formerfed]

29. By The Way

Does anyone here not think if VERY STRANGE that Kent Carper refers to Daniel Hartman, VP of Hartman & Tyner as "Danny Hartman?" Read the Charleston gazette story posted on PWD's story. On page two, carper refers to him as "Danny" and that Hartman has always been straight with KING CARPER.

Go to page 2, last paragraph.

http://wvgazette.com/News/200802260734

[chocolot]

30. Questions

When I google that I get the following...Who is BNNews Wire Source?

PWDGroup (KC BLOG) Mentioned In Press Release - Democratic Underground This is a press release from earlier today.... From BNNews Wire Source http://www.prlog.org/10058009-every-state-county-needs-... :thumbsup: ...
www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=185x2774 - 2 hours ago - Similar pages

http://www.peuplesawa.com/ ... erected a ten-foot barbed wire fence, declared that the Republic was its ..... and the ultimate source of his strength, was the love the people had for ...
www.peuplesawa.com/fr/bnnews.php?nid=840&seite=0&sites=0&vip=0 - 113k - Cached - Similar pages

artwithbraininmind-l: By Subject Brain wiring is largely inborn (fwd). [e-mail] (Sat ...... Best Source of Internet Traffic - Email 75000000 recipients for FREE ...
kh.bu.edu/artwithbraininmind-l/subject.html - 250k - Cached - Similar pages


When I searched the address on the press release at google maps I got this....where is this place that is on no map?


We were not able to locate the address:
7 Canebrake Dr., Hilton Head Island, SC

Would you like to:

Get a map of Hilton Head Island, SC


When I search Sam Webber I get...I get a character in a Novel.

The Appearance of Sam Webber: Compare Prices, View Price History ... The Appearance of Sam Webber - 6 Sellers Found - Lowest Price: $1.19 - Subgenre: riches to rags - Subgenre: mothers & sons, friendship between men or boys, ...
www.nextag.com/The-Appearance-of-Sam-1924224/prices-html - 44k - Cached - Similar pages

The Reappearance of Sam Webber - Google Books Resultby Jonathon Scott Fuqua - 1999 - Fiction - 237 pages
When eleven year-old Sam Webber's father disappears without a trace, he and his mom are forced to move to a tiny apartment, and Sam has to transfer to a...
books.google.com/books?isbn=1890862029...

Amazon.com: The Reappearance of Sam Webber: Jonathon Scott Fuqua ... Amazon.com: The Reappearance of Sam Webber: Jonathon Scott Fuqua: Books.
www.amazon.com/Reappearance-Webber-Jonathon-Scott-Fuqua/dp/0763614246 - 211k -

Kidsreads.com - THE REAPPEARANCE OF SAM WEBBER by Jonathon Scott Fuqua THE REAPPEARANCE OF SAM WEBBER by Jonathon Scott Fuqua illustrated by Peter Sylvada Publisher ISBN: 0763614246 Ages 10-up 288 pages ...
www.kidsreads.com/reviews/0763614246.asp - 19k - Cached - Similar pages


When I look up pwd group, this is the result.....


PWD Group Purchasing Warehousing and Distribution (PWD) Group is a Business Consulting Firm that specializes in Supply Chain System Consulting based in the city of ...
pwdgroup.net/index.html - 12k - Cached - Similar pages

PWD Group ... Edited by Erick C. Jones, PhD. Other Titles Coming Soon! Click to Order Now! Home | About | Services | Partners | News | Contacts Copyright © PWD Group.
pwdgroup.net/news.html - 11k - Cached - Similar pages
More results from pwdgroup.net »

Pharmacology Biochemistry and Behavior : Inhibition of ... Blood was collected from 0 d PWD group two hours after the last progesterone injection. Mice in the 1 d PWD and 3 d PWD groups received daily vehicle ...
linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S0091305707001827 - Similar pages

Hormones and Behavior : Progesterone withdrawal effects in the ... The low responding control group showed a mean value of 5.44 ± 0.86 for percentage time spent in OF zone B and 3.97 ± 0.52 for the PWD group. ...
linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S0018506X06000547 - Similar pages

When I called the phone number on the Swint Book press Release it went to Colorado and a "number not in service" message


I THINK IT IS TIME FOR WHOEVER THIS IS TO EITHER IDENTIFY THEMSELVES OR SHUT UP. This is totally wrong. A News service that does not exsist. A fictional address and phone number, and a silly child's book character for a name.
PUT UP OR SHUT UP, the jig is up!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[formerfed]

31. Heres Some Answers to some questions chocolot

It appears 7 Canebrake drive does exist a few miles down the road in BLUFFTON SC which borders HHI.

The press release criteria (its automated) does not offer Bluffton as a city so I think HHI makes sense.

Also found that there is a BNnews in Canada & the UK. Heres an example
http://www.maslen.co.uk/newsletters/newsletter_oct04.pdf

I would not jump to conclusions on what PWDGroup stands for. There are thousands of companies who have the same name, even though PWD is not that common.

Here is what also is out there on the internet for Sam Webber.

http://www.egs.edu/faculty/samuelweber.html

If your going to investigate something you should at least wait to expose what you found after you’ve researched things thoroughly.

I’m not sure if I was divulging information like this PWD group is, that I would use my real name either??

IF ANYONE IS MAKING THINGS WORSE, YOU ARE

[formerfed]

32. More Answers

Personally, I do not care who is putting all of this out there in the public. Its a good thing. If you looked into Nitro's problems as hard as your trying to look into this, Nitro would be a lot better off.

http://www.prlog.org/10055793-former-dea-whistle-blower-testifies-to-sub-committees-investigation-into-the-use-of-informants.html

:patriot:

[formerfed]

33. Truce

Lets just all wait and see how this plays out over the next couple weeks. I just find it very hard to believe this (pwdgroup) is all coming from local people associated with Nitro.

They appear to be on more on a higher level.