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Hopeless Romantic Donating Member (495 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 03:16 PM
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"Ethnic" food banned in Italy
The tomato comes from Peru and spaghetti was probably a gift from China.

It is, though, the “foreign” kebab that is being kicked out of Italian cities as it becomes the target of a campaign against ethnic food, backed by the centre-right Government of Silvio Berlusconi.

The drive to make Italians eat Italian, which was described by the Left and leading chefs as gastronomic racism, began in the town of Lucca this week, where the council banned any new ethnic food outlets from opening within the ancient city walls.

Yesterday it spread to Lombardy and its regional capital, Milan, which is also run by the centre Right. The antiimmigrant Northern League party brought in the restrictions “to protect local specialities from the growing popularity of ethnic cuisines”.

Luca Zaia, the Minister of Agriculture and a member of the Northern League from the Veneto region, applauded the authorities in Lucca and Milan for cracking down on nonItalian food. “We stand for tradition and the safeguarding of our culture,” he said.

Mr Zaia said that those ethnic restaurants allowed to operate “whether they serve kebabs, sushi or Chinese food” should “stop importing container loads of meat and fish from who knows where” and use only Italian ingredients.

Asked if he had ever eaten a kebab, Mr Zaia said: “No – and I defy anyone to prove the contrary. I prefer the dishes of my native Veneto. I even refuse to eat pineapple.”

Mehmet Karatut, who owns one of four kebab shops in Lucca, said that he used Italian meat only.

Davide Boni, a councillor in Milan for the Northern League, which also opposes the building of mosques in Italian cities, said that kebab shop owners were prepared to work long hours, which was unfair competition.

“This is a new Lombard Crusade against the Saracens,” La Stampa, the daily newspaper, said. The centre-left opposition in Lucca said that the campaign was discrimination and amounted to “culinary ethnic cleansing”.

Vittorio Castellani, a celebrity chef, said: “There is no dish on Earth that does not come from mixing techniques, products and tastes from cultures that have met and mingled over time.”

He said that many dishes thought of as Italian were, in fact, imported. The San Marzano tomato, a staple ingredient of Italian pasta sauces, was a gift from Peru to the Kingdom of Naples in the 18th century. Even spaghetti, it is thought, was brought back from China by Marco Polo, and oranges and lemons came from the Arab world.

Mr Castellani said that the ban reflected growing intolerance and xenophobia in Italy. It was also a blow to immigrants who make a living by selling ethnic food, which is popular because of its low cost. There are 668 ethnic restaurants in Milan, a rise of nearly 30 per cent in one year.

The centre Right won national elections in April last year partly because of alarm about crime and immigration. This week there was a series of attacks on immigrants in bars and shops after the arrest of six Romanians accused of gang-raping an Italian girl in the Rome suburb of Guidonia.

Filippo Candelise, a Lucca councillor, said: “To accuse us of racism is outrageous. All we are doing is protecting the culinary patrimony of the town.”

Massimo Di Grazia, the city spokesman, said that the ban was intended to improve the image of the city and to protect Tuscan products. “It targets McDonald’s as much as kebab restaurants,” he added.

There is confusion, however, over what is meant by ethnic. Mr Di Grazia said that French restaurants would be allowed. He was unsure, though, about Sicilian cuisine. It is influenced by Arab cooking.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/food_and_drink/article5622156.ece
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oldironside Donating Member (835 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 03:56 PM
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1. Absolutely Ridiculous
Judging by my own experience in Italy, regional cuisine is being overwhelmed by one dish anyway - that damned neopolitan pizza.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 05:02 PM
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2. They don't seem to object to other countries eating Italian food!
Edited on Tue Dec-01-09 05:03 PM by LeftishBrit
'Vittorio Castellani, a celebrity chef, said: “There is no dish on Earth that does not come from mixing techniques, products and tastes from cultures that have met and mingled over time.”

He said that many dishes thought of as Italian were, in fact, imported. The San Marzano tomato, a staple ingredient of Italian pasta sauces, was a gift from Peru to the Kingdom of Naples in the 18th century. Even spaghetti, it is thought, was brought back from China by Marco Polo, and oranges and lemons came from the Arab world.'

Exactly!

And I'm sick of Berlusconi and his pals being called 'center-right'. They are far right.

I wish the Italian voters would serve him, DU-style, with that very Italian food: a pizza.



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Libertas1776 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 10:41 PM
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3. What a bunch of freaking mooks
Edited on Tue Dec-01-09 10:42 PM by Libertas1776
Now I know why my Italian ancestors crossed over to the sane side of the Atlantic (No offense to Northern Europe)
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mackerel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 02:29 AM
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4. Sure but it's o.k. to export their product.
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oldironside Donating Member (835 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 12:35 PM
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6. Hold on...
... you say that a country that can elect GWB twice (TWICE!) and that thinks Friends is a comedy is saner than Europe and we're not supposed to take offence?

I'm going to have to take some time to work that one through.
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Libertas1776 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 04:16 PM
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7. First of all
Edited on Wed Dec-02-09 04:17 PM by Libertas1776
I never voted for Governor Bush, I call him Governor because he was never elected, but rather appointed in a sort of coup (You guys should know, you've had your fair share in the past), and secondly I absolutely detest that show "Friends." My insult lies only against that boot shaped land that hugs the Mediterranean (Hence the no offense to N. Europe) that country that can put in power a fascist fuck like Berlusconi, then throw him out...then bring him back...throw him out again...then bring him back for more.


Plus, when my ancestors came over to the States about a century ago, the saner side was indeed the American side of the Atlantic. However, things have changed a great big deal since then.
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oldironside Donating Member (835 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 05:07 PM
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8. First...
we Brits have never had a coup. Only civil wars. At least four. We're good at them.

I used to live in Italy. It's a strange land with an odd affection for pretend macho types like Berlusconi (they still try to rationalise Mussolini), but there are a million more positives than negatives there, and we Brits allowed an arsehole like Tony Blair to get into Number 10. Not totally blameless in that respect. But, if I didn't live in the most wonderful city on earth, I would live in Sicily. The weather, the food, the people, the wine, the pace of life... Damn, I'm homesick.

A century ago America was sane enough to try to keep out of WW1. If only the UK had had the same good sense in 1914.

I wish Bush had drunk himself to death in the late 70s. Harsh, but the world would be a better place. However, a large proportion of the US population still see him as a reasonable politician, and he achieved power without anyone rising up against his coup. "What we need in acceptance." In Europe he'd be off the right hand side of the radar screen and not even in the race.

Friends is about as funny as a terminal cancer patient eating his neighbour's kid's pet dog. Simpsons, Futurama, Woody Allen, Robin Williams (as a stand up) funny. Friends? I'd rather be force fed my own testicles.

Let's not fight. We agree on too much.
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 05:14 AM
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5. To add to the ridiculous content of their "protest" ...
> Davide Boni, a councillor in Milan for the Northern League, ...
> said that kebab shop owners were prepared to work long hours,
> which was unfair competition.

= "Those foreign bastards are coming over here and making us look lazy!"

That's so close to a Pratchett discussion that it made me laugh out loud!
(Nobby & Colon talking about the Klatchians in "Jingo" if I remember correctly)
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 05:13 PM
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9. I suppose next they'll be banning
French letters.
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