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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 08:57 PM
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From Selma to Ohio - my report on the hearing today
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/120904W.shtml

From Selma to Ohio: A Report from the Conyers Hearing
By William Rivers Pitt
t r u t h o u t | Report

Wednesday 08 December 2004

It looked for all the world like a real hearing. Along the far wall were arrayed Congressional Representatives from the Judiciary Committee. Before them at a long table sat witnesses and experts in front of microphones, prepared to give testimony on the record. Behind the witnesses sat row upon row of everyday citizens who came out to watch the proceedings; the crowd was so large that an overflow room needed to be opened on another floor. Along both walls were arrayed more than a dozen television cameras.

It looked like a real hearing but it wasn’t, because despite the issuing of invitations by the Democratic Minority members to their GOP Majority brethren on the Judiciary Committee, not one Republican congressman bothered to show up or give their blessing to the proceedings. Judiciary staffers from the Minority office told me the GOP majority would not even allow this hearing to be videotaped on the television equipment that came with the hearing room, and so they were forced to pester C-SPAN into showing up. They did, along with a number of other media outlets, but the effect was a quieting of the entire event.

In the official sense, then, this was not a true Congressional hearing. It bore no weight in law. One cannot overstate, however, the importance of what took place in room 2237 of the Rayburn House Office Building today. In this place was discussed the very future of participatory democracy in America, and the serious problems that future holds if the allegations of vote fraud in Ohio and elsewhere which were the subject of this hearing, are not dealt with in immediate and dynamic fashion.

(snip)

The hearing today took place in a unique moment in our history. Election fraud and voter disenfranchisement are not new in our history, but have been as much a part of the process as campaign buttons and baby-kissing. The fact that the electorate’s voting habits are becoming more clearly drawn, and the fact that so many were watching like hawks after Florida in 2000, means that the standard-issue fraud which has always existed now has a bright light shining upon it, and means the new kinds of fraud involving electronic machines and computer tabulators are likewise suffering intense scrutiny. In this moment, that bright light means the problems, both new and old, can and must be addressed, repaired, and purged from our democratic process.

Aspects of the hearing could have been better. There was a lot of heat from the panelists and from the crowd, but not nearly as much cold data delivered. Had the forum presented that cold data, had the forum made an irrefutable case, the process to come would have been better served. The data was there – the panelists came armed with reams of paper and facts – but needs to be more fully delivered to the public at large. There were also grumblings among the assembled about why it was that Dennis Kucinich was not in attendance, about why Howard Dean chose this day to hold a press conference that sucked some of the media oxygen out of the hearing room, and about why no Kerry campaign people or Senate staffers made any kind of public appearance at the event.

There was also a moment of deep frustration when the Representatives opened the floor to general questions from the audience. This led to something that always seems to happen when liberals and progressives get in a room together. Person after person came to the microphone not to ask questions, but to pontificate at length on whatever crossed their minds. As usual, this stole time from people who actually had questions, and led to a watering-down of the information at hand. When Conyers gently prodded people to move it along, some got openly aggressive and angry, despite the fact that they were riding roughshod over the stated process. Rep. Frank finally had to lay down the stomp on the quickly-unwinding process. The open forum could have been a beneficial addition to the hearing, but became in the end a waste of valuable time.

At the end of the day, the hearing was a beginning, a chance for those fighting this fight to look upon one another and know they are not alone. Rep. Conyers and his fellow Congressmen are to be commended for putting the process in motion. The most striking moment came when the hearing ended, and all of the people assembled began embracing one another. They had made their voices heard, they knew they were not alone, and it smelled like vindication in there when all was said and done.

The hearing was a beginning. There will be more, especially in Ohio. The lawsuits will continue. Rep. Conyers intimated today that he might object to the seating of the Ohio Electors when the certification process begins. The protests will continue to grow across the country. Perhaps, if we can follow through and accomplish the cleansing of our democratic process, we will look back on this day in room 2237 of the Rayburn House Office Building and know that yet another popular movement towards achieving that more perfect union began here, in this time, and in this place.

...more...
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 08:59 PM
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1. Thank you
for your report and your blog! I was at work today and couldn't watch the hearings live, but I was able to keep up through your blog.

:yourock:
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 09:00 PM
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2. Txs for all you have done to help !!!
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 09:01 PM
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3. Beautiful. Thanks, Will. Kick. n/t
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 09:04 PM
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5. Great article
Thanks.
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 09:02 PM
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4. Beautiful piece. Thanks for your effort (n/t)
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itzamirakul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 09:10 PM
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6. This is painful
and yet it is hopeful (a word that I am growing to detest). It is painful to know that United States politicians of the Republican Party did not attend the hearing. It is especially painful to see that Kerry, like Gore, is ignoring the voting rights of black Americans. I hope that the DLC and the moderates can get enough of the Republicans to fill in the gaps that will be left in the Democratic Party as the left leaning members defect.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 09:13 PM
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7. William Rivers Pitt - were people told they had only one minute to ask
a question?

I participated in a DNC Listening Session in St. Paul, Minnesota, last week, and we had a one-minute limit, and it went fine.
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OrangeCountyDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 09:24 PM
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8. Is There Really Any Reason
Is there any reason to stay in this country? Don't tell me the garbage about how great it is, and how it's so much better than any alternative.

So far as I'm concerned, this whole charade is disgusting, and should be completely unnecessary to begin with. What good is there in knowing we're not alone? In embracing at the end of a relatively meaningless meeting. It's almost like everyone realizes we're screwed, and have an uphill battle, which probably has a Supreme Court roadblock at the end anyways.

Why even bother staying in the U.S., because so far as I'm concerned, it is a joke. The U.S. is at best a Monarchy, and at worst a Dictatorship. It seems as if those in power are the ones who can get away with corruption, and there is no positive sign in sight.
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 09:36 PM
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10. Puhleeze
If you wake up in the morning and find a pile of dog shit on your lawn, do you move, or clean it up?
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 09:37 PM
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11. Bye
Hope your move goes well.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 09:38 PM
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12. If you think you'd prefer living in another country,
visit for a while, see how you like it, and if you want to move you can.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 11:17 PM
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39. You want a reason?
Edited on Wed Dec-08-04 11:18 PM by tavalon
OK. Because to stand and fight, even against seemingly impossible odds, is the right thing to do. It doesn't matter nearly as much that your fighting makes a noticeable difference, only that you have fought rather than giving up.

Basically, I'm saying that you should do it for your soul.

For every Nelson Mandela or Vaclav Havel, there are 10,000 faceless others who have fought as tenaciously as these two did and sometimes those faceless ones died without ever seeing the amazing changes that finally came.

On edit: That, and move out of Orange County. That is a soul killing field.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 09:38 PM
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13. There was no specific time limit set
but Conyers said to make it very fast because of time pressure, and said it again, and again, and again, and again, and again.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 10:47 PM
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30. Conyers should have said "one minute" instead of "fast,"
with all due respect to him, "fast" is too vague.
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 09:33 PM
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9. Thank you so much, Will. My question...
After the hearing, did you feel that some of the panelists/participants made connections with one another to establish some networking with one another?

I would think this would be an extremely valuable outcome of the hearing for the movement, if a communication was established amongst these activists and experts.

I hope they sat around, yacked and traded names and didn't all just jump onto airplanes!
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 09:38 PM
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14. thank you. n/t
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OrangeCountyDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 09:49 PM
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Sounds Like Little Was Accomplished
I was hoping to hear a very positive report. Or that finally this cause would show the light of day. But from what I'm reading, it's that unless there is approval from the Repubs on the judiciary committee, this whole process is a formality at best.

All I'm saying is that those in charge, who run the show...are not going to give in on this one. Meaning that for all the huffing and puffing, the end result will be the same.

I am not saying this is pointless. I am not saying it's tin-foil. All I'm saying is that it's beginning to feel like running up against a brick wall. Unless a large segment of the public can embrace this, it will never gain credence. And unfortunately, the majority of Americans just don't care or give a damn. The whole accept and move on, and wait for 2008 crap is making me sick.

All I'm seriously wondering is whether something like this could be allowed to happen somewhere like Canada...or even Great Britain. How many Coup De Etat's does this country have to go through before we realize it really is not a democracy in the truest sense of the word. Of The People, By The People, For The People? LOL
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bywho4who Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 12:06 AM
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46. Well said
You hit the whore in the mouth with that one! If people spent half the time doing some political activism As they did watching T.V.(idiot-box) Canada would be moving south
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FredStembottom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 12:23 AM
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48. Your complaint seems to be that those perpetrating the " Coup
De Etat" aren't capitulating to those organizing against it quickly enough. Since when do citizen uprisings against corrupt government ever get anything _other_ than the brick wall?
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 10:23 PM
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23. I respectfully suggest that you watch the hearing for yourself before
Passing judgement as to what was accomplished or not. The hearing is available to view online at c-span.org

This hearing IMHO was exceptionally important. Although "nothing" was truly accomplished in the way of apparent action, it was a vehicle to inform those who have been kept in the dark by MSM. The hearing related the story, testified by many there, of the countless number of people who were disenfranchised. As we know, if even one person is purposely barred from having their Constitutional right to vote, we all have lost that right.

From here it will begin to snowball. Trust me. It is out there in the collective consciousness and more and more people will become awake to the fact that our election was hijacked. Remember, if Kerry really did win, and I do believe that in my heart of hearts, and I do believe he won the popular vote..it would mean that more than half of our country had their choice stolen away from them. I don't think all that many people are going to rollover this time and play dead.

Another point I would like to make. There is "action" being taken right now. There are numerous lawsuits being filed in Ohio, and yes, there will be a full recount. Conyers also seems to be willing to challenge the Electors from Ohio if it is necessary.

I pointed out in another thread that if Kerry does win Ohio, and the Democrats from Ohio choose their own Electors there will be a Constitutional Crisis. Do you think that the Republicans at that point can continue to support Bush when their own careers will be at stake? I also pointed out that Kerry had Huge union support. Union Leaders can ask their union members to have a sick-out. How many students voting for the first time had their votes stolen for them? And how about the baby boomers, the largest percent of the population? We helped to end the Vietnam War! Bush and the Republicans will have hell to pay if Kerry isn't sworn in.


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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 10:51 PM
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33. How can they prove all this before January 6?
Impossible isn't it.
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 11:56 PM
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43. Not at all n/t
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 11:58 PM
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44. They have thousands of people that are going to recount the votes.
I am sure if they need more, the message will get out.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 09:55 PM
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16. Thanks, Will. Few people will be in a better position to write
the history of this election than you will! Something else to look forward to.

:thumbsup:
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 09:56 PM
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17. my favorite sentence
"Rep. Frank finally had to lay down the stomp on the quickly-unwinding process."

Yet again Barney succeeds where others have failed. He is amazing. Thank heaven this man is on our side.
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OrangeCountyDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 10:01 PM
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18. Is Frank A Rep Or Senator?
If he's a Senator, then he's qualified to object to the slating of electors, correct?
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 10:03 PM
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19. a rep from massachusetts
he never minces words. i wish he would talk some sense into kerry.
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rockedthevoteinMA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 10:05 PM
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20. He's a Rep from Mass n/t
Edited on Wed Dec-08-04 10:05 PM by rockedthevoteinMA
And thank you Will! What a great article! :)
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Marnieworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 10:16 PM
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21. MA rep
senators are Kerry and Kennedy
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newscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 10:17 PM
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22. Barney
I sent an email to Barney thanking him for attending.

I'm so proud of him. He's my rep after all.

I love how he just interjects himself into a situation and cuts right to the chase. He's a no BS kind of guy.

That's why I vote for him.
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 11:09 PM
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38. I'm envious
I wish I could vote for him.

And while we're on the subject, he'll be at the top of the list for the machines to vote out if we don't get this issue ironed out.
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 11:55 PM
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42. It's really ironic
But the repubs who couldn't be bothered to show up at the hearing today may also be at the top of the list for removal by the machines. Anyone in Congress who is not a raving neocon will go. McCain, Specter, Chafee, Snowe, all of them. If they think they're somehow protected, they're delusional.
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 11:59 PM
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45. correct
when will it dawn on them
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 10:32 AM
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49. Hi newscott!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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truehawk Donating Member (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 10:26 PM
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24. Thanks for the report
It smelled like venidction. Nice line.

Maybe Democrats need to vote twice, in every election, once so we can count the vote, and once so they have "quirks" and tell us what they are going to count.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 10:29 PM
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25. Thank you Will for being there, and for all of your work! It is So
Important to get the Truth Out There, and you are an eloquent messenger. :)
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 10:32 PM
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26. One of six possibilities (maybe a combination).
1. Democrats are total cowards in the face of Republican opposition and are allowing Republicans to roll over them.
2. The threat is real, physical, and Democrats are truly afraid of this administration.
3. Democrats for reasons unstated do not want the Presidency (prefer not to deal with the Iraq mess).
4. A major scandal is going to take down the Bush administration and Democrats are waiting for gravity to do its work.
5. Democrats do not yet have the hard evidence to challenge this election.
6. This is some sort of elaborate theater leading up to a Democratic challenge (we are in the early stages).

I am sure there are other possibilities but the silence of MSM is no accident. I also apologize for my sarcasm. I hope you are right Mr. Pitt.
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cyn2 Donating Member (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 10:44 PM
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28. The dems. who were there today are not cowards n/t
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 10:47 PM
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31. I grant that. How about the ones who did not show up?
Or was there not enough room?
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 11:01 PM
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36. 7.
7. The democrats are happy with the direction we are heading in with respect to geopolitics, corporatism, concentration of wealth at the top. After all, most are wealthy and like power.
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 11:03 PM
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37. And they got a nice tax cut.
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cyn2 Donating Member (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 10:39 PM
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27. Ah, Will, so that's how a writer writes it up!
Thank you. I believe you've captured the tone as well as the substance.

If you are thinking of adding to this piece, I would suggest two things.

Rep. Jackson Lee's comments had some great nuggets....I don't remember the words exactly, but I was very moved by some of the things she said.

The other entry might refer to the man who went to the FBI to report voter fraud....he asked if that was the right thing to do. He looked on the verge of tears, and I found it moving. I don't mean Jeff Fisher, but the other man who went first for the questioners.

Otherwise, great job. Thank you.

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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 10:44 PM
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29. Republicans will have no choice but to get involved
Ignoring the problems will only give one the impression that they're not interested in preserving the bedrock of our democracy. It's a win win for the Dems to take this issue on because it's an effort to preserve the integrity of our vote. EVERYONE'S vote. I hope our democratic leaders will soon lend their power to this effort.

I can't wait to get the transcript of Robert Petrakis'(sp?)eloquent comments at the hearing. He was one of those who came up to the microphone and spoke. I was blown away by his strong message and the way he delivered it. Malloy just replayed it on his show. :hi:

Kathryn
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 10:49 PM
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32. Will!!!! - Mike Malloy is asking for you right now
1-866-303-2270
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Curtis Donating Member (125 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 10:57 PM
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34. Jesse Jackson was simply brilliant
at today's hearing. My wife, Nellie, and I watched the entire thing, and both of our eyes welled up when Jesse was talking about how not one member of congress lost any loved ones in Iraq. I am proud that I consider Jesse one of my heroes
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bywho4who Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 12:10 AM
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47. W........
Welcome to DU Curtis
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 11:01 PM
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35. An insightful and inspiring piece. Thank you. n/t
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shelley806 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 11:42 PM
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40. This moved me to tears, as many of your articles do...
"Perhaps, if we can follow through and accomplish the cleansing of our democratic process, we will look back on this day in room 2237 of the Rayburn House Office Building and know that yet another popular movement towards achieving that more perfect union began here, in this time, and in this place."

Thank you so much for this post and all of your other contributions that I've read.
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sonias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 11:52 PM
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41. thanks for the report Will
And thanks for being there first hand. Wish I could be there with you.

No retreat and no surrender.

Sonia
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