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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-11 08:56 PM
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Muslim conference booted from hotel
Published On Thu Oct 13 2011

The Sheraton Centre hotel will not host a Muslim religious conference that was to feature speakers who have expressed anti-gay and anti-Semitic views.

The Star informed a Sheraton convention services manager about the speakers on Wednesday. On Thursday, after the Star published an article on the conference, a hotel spokesperson said it had been “cancelled due to the organization’s failure to satisfy a contractual requirement.”

The conference, which had been scheduled for Oct. 23, was organized by the Islamic Education and Research Academy (IERA), a British organization seeking to establish a Canadian presence. The IERA’s local public relations officer could not be reached Thursday evening.

Jewish and gay organizations had criticized the IERA for inviting four speakers who had disparaged gays, Jews and Christians. Gay activists in Britain denounced a hotel chain in January for hosting a London IERA event involving several of the same speakers.

http://www.thestar.com/news/article/1069557--muslim-conference-booted-from-hotel


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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-11 08:57 PM
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1. ....
:popcorn:
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-11 09:08 PM
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3. You said it.
And it's not even near Detroit.
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darkstar3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-11 08:58 PM
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2. So do you think THIS is persecution?
If yes, then how is this different from another recent story in which you repeatedly said "this is about a country club"?
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-11 09:08 PM
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4. Do you?
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darkstar3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-11 09:09 PM
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5. You posted the OP, I'd like to see your comment.
Edited on Thu Oct-13-11 09:11 PM by darkstar3
Since you posted this specifically looking for hypocrites, I think you should show whether you're one first.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-11 09:14 PM
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6. I'm sure you do. But I'd rather hear your undiluted opinion first.
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dmallind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-11 09:30 PM
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8. My opinion is that atheists were less likely to feature homophobia and anti-semitism
Which makes a bit of a difference, no?
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-11 09:30 PM
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7. This article demonstrates why the serial comma, or Oxford comma, is important.
Jewish and gay organizations had criticized the IERA for inviting four speakers who had disparaged gays, Jews and Christians.
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David Sky Donating Member (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-11 08:43 AM
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9. First: I hate poorly written articles, articles that don't even have a
Edited on Fri Oct-14-11 08:46 AM by David Sky
DATELINE: (for those who do NOT know what a dateline is in journalism, Google it!)

Secondly, it is perfectly within the right of any private enterprise to refuse services to whatever group they want, based upon past or current destructive, hateful, or intolerant behavior of members of that group. E.G. The Ritz Carlton in NYC is unlikely to offer their ballroom to mud wrestlers. Harvard University would not allow military recruiters because of the DADT policy of the military, (now that policy has changed and Harvard invited them back).

Beliefs that are bigoted, anti-Semitic, or otherwise threatening, destructive and harmful to a portion of society might be seen as solid, legal grounds for the hotel to refuse services.

I don't see the corollary with atheism being refused services or hospitality. Atheism, in and of itself, is NOT harmful to those who hold religious beliefs. But I can understand why some religious people can and do refuse hospitality to atheists.
Holding an atheist convention in a church would probably not ever happen, but how is a country club a religious place?
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Goblinmonger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-11 10:40 AM
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10. Cue humblebum with militant atheism
being the same as the KKK.
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Goblinmonger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-11 10:44 AM
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11. Standing up against bigotry
is not bigotry. If they just didn't allow this conference because they were Muslim (and I'm sure that happens), I would say bigotry. But for them to make it clear that they don't like the bigoted position of the group is different. Dawkins was disallowed solely because he was an atheist (and O'Reily doesn't like him). Not some perception of bigotry.

Of course, I would argue that some posters on here disallowing Dawkins because he is the same as the KKK would not fit into this category because that is just fucking ridiculous.
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-11 11:05 AM
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12. Too difficult for some people to grasp, evidently. n/t
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darkstar3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-11 07:19 PM
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15. Indeed.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-11 11:20 AM
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13. Canadian law prohibits "hate speech."
They feel suppressing the stirring up of hatred against ethnic or other groups is more important than absolute free speech.
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cleanhippie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-11 11:40 AM
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14. Poor attempt at false equivalencies, rug.
Do you really think that the two incidents are the same?
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