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Fri Oct-14-11 07:16 PM
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Our Night at a Christian ‘Marriage Symposium’ |
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You'd expect a Christian "Marriage Symposium" to discuss things like making marriages stronger, avoiding common pitfalls like adultery and divorce, and making Christ the center of the marriage. You'd be wrong. snip
About 20 minutes after our arrival, David Smith, IFI’s Executive Director, opened with prayer and introduced the evening’s agenda — that homosexuality was a threat to the institution of marriage. He understood the resistance to keep marriage defined as one man and one woman and said that the liberals were trying to “shut us up.”
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Didn’t the Bible also support slavery, though? Dr. Brown addressed that issue, too. He stated, “In the past, the church has supported slavery; in the past, the church has supported segregation; in the past, the church has supported oppression and suppression.” He suggested that through the abuse and misuse of Scripture, the slave trade was born. It was the abuse and misuse of Scripture that related to these civil rights issues, though, and (clearly) the issue of marriage was not a civil rights issue because the union between man and woman is the absolute foundation of the Scripture. (Got all that?) He wanted us to remember the numerous places in the Scripture that praised women, and that the spread of the Gospel in ancient times occurred because it was so liberating to women. There is not a single negative word about women in the Scripture. There is not a syllable in the Scripture that supports slavery, segregation, or oppression, and there are no positive words in Scripture supporting homosexuality.
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The final speaker of the night was Laurie Higgins, the Director of School Advocacy & Cultural Analysis for the Illinois Family Institute. She started her lecture by stating her agreement with the previous speakers. She argued that the “end game” of gay activists was to silence conservatives and that they were using anti-bullying programs as a means of silencing “our views,” as they viewed Christians beliefs as “creating a climate of bias.” She also warned against using the term “sexual orientation,” and said that this term had no place in our laws or schools because it implied “biological determinism.”
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What is homosexuality? She argued that there were two categories of the existential human condition: race and biological gender, both immutable. We could not draw any behavioral or moral implications from these traits. On the other hand, there were subjective feelings such as homosexuality, incest, and polygamy. These traits were actively chosen by the individual, according to her. Even if there was a scientific basis for them (like a gay gene), science told us nothing about moral “good.” Because homosexuality is something people choose, it is also up to us to decide which of our “myriad of impulses” should be acted upon and which should not.
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Fri Oct-14-11 07:37 PM
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1. So they oppose gay marriage because they're True Scotsmen? |
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Edited on Fri Oct-14-11 07:37 PM by darkstar3
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Fri Oct-14-11 07:48 PM
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and because gay marriage is a greater threat to heterosexual marriage than heterosexual adultery, divorce, spousal abuse, etc. Go figure. :shrug:
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Fri Oct-14-11 07:57 PM
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3. Where did "God is Love" go??? |
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My unending discussion is over homosexuality with a dear friend who is a devout Catholic who truly lives her faith .
She says it is just fine - as long as 'they" don't act out their desires.
I counter with "Isn't God Love?", and doesn't loving intimacy include physical expression of LOVE? No answer -- yet she faithfully ministers to jail residents and the homeless and the starving.
Otherwise, she is very smart, and I hope she is at least thinking a bit due to my queries.
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Fri Oct-14-11 08:06 PM
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5. The RRRW version of love is very twisted and perverted |
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Also highly conditional.
She says it is just fine - as long as 'they" don't act out their desires.
They ask gay people to live a life devoid of companionship, affection and intimacy. But they do it out of love.
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Fri Oct-14-11 07:58 PM
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4. Recommend - being angry. Nt |
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Fri Oct-14-11 09:03 PM
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6. These people are not only nuts, they're vicious liars |
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Fri Oct-14-11 10:34 PM
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It's not only acceptable, it's also encouraged in RRRW circles.
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Sat Oct-15-11 12:17 PM
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8. I've been reading Judith Butler for class... |
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She is a pretty influential feminist writer. Apparently, sex and gender are not the same thing. The former is a physical fact while the second is a social construct that is constantly constituting itself through socially relevant actions. The point is that gender construction--which is implicitly heterosexual--is foundational to the hegemonic culture. As it is, the power structure norm is white, androcentric and heterosexual with women and gays being defined as "others." If a significant number of people refuse to accept "their place" in gendered society, it threatens to bring down the whole edifice. That is why conservatives are so afraid of gay marriage.
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Sat Oct-15-11 12:33 PM
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Gender is what's between your legs and God put men in control of everything. We can't have mere humans deciding otherwise or it will destroy the whole of society.
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Sat Oct-15-11 12:25 PM
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9. Some people take themselves too seriously. I prescribe some Betty Bowers. |
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Sat Oct-15-11 01:01 PM
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13. Excellent. Atheists are better Christians than Christians. |
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